My thought is it's actually safer to AVOID signaling if you're just changing lanes while crossing a intersection. It may lead people into assuming that you're making the turn instead of going through.
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Thought he had plenty to eat at home..
He's on a fitness regimen, probably involves less dining out.
So since the cyclist broke a law, it's then okay to break other laws such as safe passing and changing lanes, etc....
It should be legal to beat cyclist with a rubber hose every time they break the law. That will never happen though, because it would ruin the economy.
Nobody would ever show up for work. By the time you sorted out all the deadbeats/cheapskates on the way to work, it would be time to turn around and go home.
Nobody would ever show up for work. By the time you sorted out all the deadbeats/cheapskates on the way to work, it would be time to turn around and go home.
When you're all well and finished, do you then start in on all the deadbeats and cheapskates on 125s?
Back to the original question:
Here's a little clarification from the MTO:
http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/safety/yield.shtml
Here's a little clarification from the MTO:
http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/safety/yield.shtml
If you're in the left lane signaling right as you go through then people would have to be assuming you're an idiot that turns right from the left lane. Although I guess you've got a point since that actually happens relatively often in the city.
Sativa Quemador
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that really doesnt claify when we are talking about a 2 lane road.. if no-ones in the lane i am turning into, i will turn.
waiting for both lanes to be clear is just silly, IMO
and to those that say thyey dont turn until both lanes are clear.. do you honestly do that one your Bike ?
cause if you say you do, i say you lie. lol
I generally do because I had a time I wasn't going to and then right as I started to go someone changed lanes in the intersection, I had to hit my brakes, and I lost balance and fell over like a tool.
"At any intersection where you want to turn left or right, you must yield the right-of-way."
Does that clarify it enough?
What you're doing is anticipating what the other person will do, and relying on their using the most basic traffic law of "don't hit anything", thus exposing your ignorance to the general population.
Here's some more excerpts
"Unless a sign tells you not to, you may make a right turn facing a red light as long as you first come to a complete stop and wait until the way is clear. Remember to signal your turn and yield to pedestrians and others using the road."
"Traffic check
If you are stopped, waiting for a green light or for the way to be clear, keep checking traffic all around you. Just before entering the intersection, look left, ahead and right to check that the way is clear. If there is any doubt about the right-of-way, try to make eye contact with nearby drivers or pedestrians. If it is possible for another vehicle to overtake you while you are turning, check your blind spot before starting to turn. You have not properly checked traffic if another vehicle or pedestrian has the right-of-way and must take action to avoid your vehicle."
"Speed
Move ahead within four to five seconds after it is safe to start. Make the turn at a steady speed, increasing speed as you complete the turn. Drive slowly enough to keep full control of your vehicle without slowing down other traffic."
Personally, I wait until the traffic that has the right-of-way can't hit me and then proceed. That may still involve turning into moving traffic, but there is a difference.
That won't save you from people behind, who assume that you'll just go, and don't intend to stop.
Sativa Quemador
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trafiic that is on-coming in the 2nd lane is not a threat, they are in their own lane.
I dont have to yield, becasue the danger is not in my lane.
what you are doing, is just holding up traffic. imo
you can interpret the wording as you see fit.
"At any intersection where you want to turn left or right, you must yield the right-of-way."
obviously, im not going to turn out in front of an oncoming car in the lane i am turning into.
but what i am doing is not illegal, nor stupid. I trust that the person coming stays in their own lane, and does not change lanes in the intersection, as thats illegal..
just as i trust any other motorist on a 2 lane road to stay on their side, as we fly past each other in opposite directions at 80 kph.
I dont have to yield, becasue the danger is not in my lane.
what you are doing, is just holding up traffic. imo
you can interpret the wording as you see fit.
"At any intersection where you want to turn left or right, you must yield the right-of-way."
obviously, im not going to turn out in front of an oncoming car in the lane i am turning into.
but what i am doing is not illegal, nor stupid. I trust that the person coming stays in their own lane, and does not change lanes in the intersection, as thats illegal..
just as i trust any other motorist on a 2 lane road to stay on their side, as we fly past each other in opposite directions at 80 kph.
... unless they happen to change lanes while crossing the intersection ...
... unless they happen to change lanes while crossing the intersection ...
My safety takes priority over making someone behind wait another two seconds.
Sativa Quemador
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holy cow. First off, changing lanes in an intersection is illegal.
If your paranoia over other people driving habits scare you that much, then you shouldnt be on the road, imo.
this is why i wrote the other scenario. You trust that oncoming traffic will keep to their lane on a two lane road,
you cant always be afraid of what another driver "might" do and trust that their skills are comparable to yours.
"I cant pull out on the road, what if that car 2 lanes over decides at the last second that he wants to change lanes" LOL
what happens on a green light ? You have to trust that other drivers that have the red will stop. LOL
You keep saying " unless THIS happens, or THAT happens " if thats the case, just stay off the road. beause thats the safest place for you. lol
btw, its not just about the "2 seconds" that the person behind you is waiting, its the 9 other cars behind the guy behind you.
You sound like one of these high and mighty drivers that does no wrong, .. when its the complete opposite. You are the one creating dangerous situations, especially for yourself.
Turning right in my truck the nose will just hang over the line of the far lane so if the person in the far lane just so happens to ride the line they'll take 4" off my bumper. In my car or on the bike it's doable but I rarely need to make up the extra 3s of time to put faith in another drivers ability to drive correctly.
Iceman
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I'm never going to blindly trust any other driver, nor assume that they have the ability/common sense to drive safely. I am responsible for my own safety, if you have to wait 2 seconds or 2 minutes, not my problem. I drive more than the average person, and I have seen it all. Seems most drivers either interpret the rules to suit themselves, or think they don't apply to them. My everyday driver is a dodge 2500hd diesel, with most of the cars being so small, if I hit you I will go straight through you. I usually just assume every other driver is an idiot and there's no telling what they'll do next. Seems to work...
Some rules fall under reckless driving. A good example is the dotted lines on the road. They guide us to be in a lane, but it is not codified in the HTA that you must acknowledge the existence of the dotted line. So, it is legal for you to drive right on top of a dotted line and you cannot receive a ticket for being out of lane.
You can however receive tickets for interfering with traffic and another for reckless driving if you do this.
I believe that the don't change lanes in the middle of an intersection falls under a similar understanding. Not codified but you will get a ticket especially if something happens. A lot of common law is codified in court judgements and not the act itself and you need to refer to judgements. There is probably a judgement somewhere that explains why you should not change lanes in an intersection.
