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Sativa Quemador

Sativa Quemador

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whats the deal with people that refuse to turn right at an intersection, until both lanes are clear ?
or people that dont use the merge lane for the same purpose when one is there ? thats always annoyed me.
another one that bothers me, is 2 lanes up a hill. sign says Keep right, unless to pass but morons just drive the same speed as the dude in the right
 
because in toronto most people only see about 5 feet ahead of their car, and plenty of times they will actually change lanes as you're pulling out
 
Toronto is some of the worst driving in the entire country. You're surprised by boneheads with cars?

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Right turn at an intersection - I generally won't turn unless there is a gap in both lanes. Seen too many people change from left to right lane as they go through the intersection. If they do that at the same time as you make a right turn into the same space ... boom. Good luck proving that the other driver made an unsafe lane change as opposed to you making an unsafe turn. (Good luck getting witnesses to stick around)

Likewise with making a right turn while others from the opposite direction are making a left. If you are all turning onto a multilane road, they SHOULD stay in the leftmost lane until after their turn is complete, thus leaving the rightmost lane free for you to make that right turn ... but a lot of people go straight to the lane that they want (right) and if you happen to be there ... boom. At a minimum, I'll time my turn to fit into a gap between the left-turners from the other direction and absolutely not make my turn such that it coincides with someone making the left.

The other two are fair points.
 
Sativa Quemador said:
whats the deal with people that refuse to turn right at an intersection, until both lanes are clear ?
or people that dont use the merge lane for the same purpose when one is there ? thats always annoyed me.
another one that bothers me, is 2 lanes up a hill. sign says Keep right, unless to pass but morons just drive the same speed as the dude in the right
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The way I view it both lanes belong to the oncoming car. If the driver should choose to switch onto the right lane as I turn onto it then I would be impeding his right of way. In a three lane road I don't wait for the 3rd lane to be clear though.

I don't understand your second situation. Never seen anyone refuse to use the merge lane.

In the last case, it just comes down to our apparent human right impede others. You see it at grocery stores, bus stops, congested intersections, parking lots, highways... people are blissfully oblivious.
 
Damage control/mitigation.
The time gained from making a right turn on red in certain areas of the GTA are far out-shadowed when 1 knucklehead behind the wheel plants his *** into whatever you're piloting--Russian roulette anyone?
 
Brian P said:
Right turn at an intersection - I generally won't turn unless there is a gap in both lanes. Seen too many people change from left to right lane as they go through the intersection. If they do that at the same time as you make a right turn into the same space ... boom. Good luck proving that the other driver made an unsafe lane change as opposed to you making an unsafe turn. (Good luck getting witnesses to stick around)

Likewise with making a right turn while others from the opposite direction are making a left. If you are all turning onto a multilane road, they SHOULD stay in the leftmost lane until after their turn is complete, thus leaving the rightmost lane free for you to make that right turn ... but a lot of people go straight to the lane that they want (right) and if you happen to be there ... boom. At a minimum, I'll time my turn to fit into a gap between the left-turners from the other direction and absolutely not make my turn such that it coincides with someone making the left.

The other two are fair points.
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So... you will give up your right of way to other cars/trucks... but if a cyclist is in your way, than you dangerously pass them with 3" of clearance. Interesting....
 
Yes ... but cyclists do NOT have the right to ride side-by-side (that was the topic from the other thread), and that is a black and white requirement of HTA.

There is no black-and-white prohibition on someone changing from left to right lane as they cross an intersection.
 
Brian P said:
Yes ... but cyclists do NOT have the right to ride side-by-side (that was the topic from the other thread), and that is a black and white requirement of HTA.

There is no black-and-white prohibition on someone changing from left to right lane as they cross an intersection.
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I don't believe the HTA talks about side by side riding specifically, the only provision would be slow moving to right.... etc... not so black and white... bylaws may prohibit.
Changing lanes in intersection is black and white... is allowed.
left turns to left lane is black and white.
Safe passes and changing lanes when passing is also black and white!
 
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raginduck said:
I don't believe the HTA talks about side by side riding specifically, the only provision would be slow moving to right.... etc... not so black and white... bylaws may prohibit.
Changing lanes in intersection is black and white... is allowed.
left turns to left lane is black and white.
Safe passes and changing lanes when passing is also black and white!
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I'm not sure if it's HTA or not. But back in the Stone Age when I got my license, I was always taught that one must not change lanes when in an intersection. And left turns stay to the left!

its different now?
 
MarkC said:
I'm not sure if it's HTA or not. But back in the Stone Age when I got my license, I was always taught that one must not change lanes when in an intersection. And left turns stay to the left!

its different now?
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That's what I was taught too, but that was in Quebec. may be different here.
 
Sativa Quemador said:
whats the deal with people that refuse to turn right at an intersection, until both lanes are clear ?
or people that dont use the merge lane for the same purpose when one is there ? thats always annoyed me.
another one that bothers me, is 2 lanes up a hill. sign says Keep right, unless to pass but morons just drive the same speed as the dude in the right
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I could add...

Why do people make right turns into the left lane?
Why do people make right turns FROM the left lane (like all the time!)?
Why do people not use their turn signals at all?
Why do people try to race me at lights and then practically ram my car when I keep up with them and then they can't get in because of a parked car (I stop and wait for an opening if the same thing happens to me)?
Why don't people use their mirrors?
Why don't people stay in their lanes?
Why are some people half way through an intersection before the light even turns green?
Why do people insist on forcing their way in front of me and then driving below the speed limit?
Why do people (including buses, street cars, and police) intentionally run red lights?
Why do people make rights on red when there is obviously traffic coming?
Why don't people know how to use the Vaughan/St Clair intersection properly (they turn behind other cars waiting to turn instead of in front of them, messes up the whole system if there is a line of cars on either side)?
Why do people pull over in the live lane when there are parked cars instead of looking for a proper place to pull over?
Why do people (especially cabs) make long 3 point or u-turns in heavy traffic instead of finding a side street, parking lot, or appropriate intersection to turn around in?
Why do people create massive safety hazards cutting across the median to get to the exit they missed instead of just taking the next one?

I see ****** driving on every commute. I wish I had the ability to give out tickets. No one would get a speeding ticket from me but all that other bull would clear out a ticket book within a few days.
 
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fastar1 said:
That's what I was taught too, but that was in Quebec. may be different here.
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I brought this up on here once before and I believe our friend Rob informed me that it is not actually explicitly illegal. I'll admit I've been guilty of doing it before but extremely rarely and I think it was only after he informed me of that. I also used my turn signal unlike everyone I see do it. I also watch for people trying to make a right on red.

I avoid making the right if only one lane is clear because people always change lanes in the intersection or the guy that is signalling his right turn and slowing down to stop will change his mind and then blow through right when you decide to turn out in front of him.
 
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Roomie said:
Toronto is some of the worst driving in the entire country. You're surprised by boneheads with cars?

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Toronto is the worst in North America. Riding even in LA, is a pleasure compared to Mississauga.
 
COTA349 said:
Toronto is the worst in North America. Riding even in LA, is a pleasure compared to Mississauga.
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Rob is Mayor of Mississauga now too? Go Rob. Whatever became of Hazel?
 
raginduck said:
I don't believe the HTA talks about side by side riding specifically, the only provision would be slow moving to right.... etc... not so black and white...
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HTA s. 147.1

Any bicycle that is not in single file beside the curb is not "as close as practicable to the right hand curb or edge of the roadway" unless the exception applies, "while overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction", i.e. bicycles are allowed to be side by side WHILE THE ONE ON THE LEFT IS ACTUALLY IN THE PROCESS OF OVERTAKING THE ONE BESIDE THE CURB (emphasis mine!) but if they are sitting there side by side going the same speed, all that are not immediately adjacent to the curb are in violation.

I know it's never enforced.
 
Brian P said:
HTA s. 147.1

Any bicycle that is not in single file beside the curb is not "as close as practicable to the right hand curb or edge of the roadway" unless the exception applies, "while overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction", i.e. bicycles are allowed to be side by side WHILE THE ONE ON THE LEFT IS ACTUALLY IN THE PROCESS OF OVERTAKING THE ONE BESIDE THE CURB (emphasis mine!) but if they are sitting there side by side going the same speed, all that are not immediately adjacent to the curb are in violation.

I know it's never enforced.
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