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Riding on the HOV vs normal lanes.

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Depends on where and when.
Where I am they are fairly empty and the vehicles in them are going much faster than traffic in the other lanes most of the time.
During rush hour, someone will pull in and set their cruise control to 90-110 kph. Some of the other lanes are significantly slower.
That's when I might use them and give two seconds to the vehicle in front. If someone is tailgating me, I might leave three seconds.
You have to remember, that you're stuck in a single lane with no passing in them, unless you do a six point pass, which isn't worth it to me.
When I'm heading to Welland on the weekend, I will usually use them on the QEW, in my van, and do the two second thing, since the lane is slow anyways. If someone is very slow in front, you might be able to pass them where the dotted line shows if you're lucky, otherwise, it might be better to get out into the main traffic. The rightmost lane is usually the emptiest near Toronto, and that's where I tend to ride.
If someone is tailgating you when you're on a bike, the last thing you want to do is to follow the vehicle in front of you too close, and potentially become a cage sandwich.
 
Baggsy said:
Depends on where and when.
Where I am they are fairly empty and the vehicles in them are going much faster than traffic in the other lanes most of the time.
During rush hour, someone will pull in and set their cruise control to 90-110 kph. Some of the other lanes are significantly slower.
That's when I might use them and give two seconds to the vehicle in front. If someone is tailgating me, I might leave three seconds.
You have to remember, that you're stuck in a single lane with no passing in them, unless you do a six point pass, which isn't worth it to me.
When I'm heading to Welland on the weekend, I will usually use them on the QEW, in my van, and do the two second thing, since the lane is slow anyways. If someone is very slow in front, you might be able to pass them where the dotted line shows if you're lucky, otherwise, it might be better to get out into the main traffic. The rightmost lane is usually the emptiest near Toronto, and that's where I tend to ride.
If someone is tailgating you when you're on a bike, the last thing you want to do is to follow the vehicle in front of you too close, and potentially become a cage sandwich.
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On the bike the safest lane is the best. There is following too close and there are the A-Hs that intimidate by dusting your bumper, except with a bike you don't have one. If they kill you they get a $600 fine with time to pay. If they have second chance coverage on their insurance policy it doesn't go up.

There are riders that accidentally hit old spark plugs lying on the road, throwing it into the following W/S but they better be prepared to lane split away hoping no one got their plate number, another risky move.

Even in the cage it's tempting to let someone else cause a minor crash but the time you lose fighting insurance with their stacked deck is a game of chicken for losers.
 
shanekingsley said:
I love the HOV lane when I'm on the bike and sometimes I feel like they made them just for me.
I also use them when I'm in my Volt, except in that car, the cruise gets set to 105 baby!
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If the other lanes are doing 110+, and you're in the HOV doing 105, then you're instigating shenanigans!
When I enter them, I plan on keeping up to traffic in the lane with a two second following distance.
If they're doing 140, then no, but I will leave the lane for others.
 
For careless driving is it normal for to be taken into custody by the OPP? What purpose does it serve?
 
justride said:
For careless driving is it normal for to be taken into custody by the OPP? What purpose does it serve?
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I noticed that strange choice of words. As careless is an HTA charge, I wouldn't expect them to be in custody. Now, if they were contemplating upgrading to dangerous (which seems supportable given that they crossed a do not cross line into a lane they weren't allowed to be in and hit someone while doing it) or wanted to test for impaired at the station, maybe the driver would be in custody.
 
I see a lot of people crossing the HOV solids when i take the 410. I don't see as much of it driving on the QEW

I did have a guy riding up my @ss while i was driving with one of my kiddos, and i couldn't go any faster than the car in front of me. Lo and behold a cop car appears in the distance who'd stopped someone else and that car suddenly disappears, never to be seen again in the HOV. If you're gonna tail someone at least do it legally LOL
 
GreyGhost said:
I noticed that strange choice of words. As careless is an HTA charge, I wouldn't expect them to be in custody. Now, if they were contemplating upgrading to dangerous (which seems supportable given that they crossed a do not cross line into a lane they weren't allowed to be in and hit someone while doing it) or wanted to test for impaired at the station, maybe the driver would be in custody.
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They probably knew the rider wasn't going to make it and they would be adding "causing death" to the charge.

I'm upwind 96% of the time. I'm all in favour of a low yield nuke @ Queen + Hurontario. Hit the reset and start over.
 
FullMotoJacket said:
They probably knew the rider wasn't going to make it and they would be adding "causing death" to the charge.
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Which is an HTA charge that can be prosecuted as a criminal charge if there are aggravating factors like ignoring road signs. That would make sense. Poor rider. It was a hard hit.
 
Baggsy said:
If the other lanes are doing 110+, and you're in the HOV doing 105, then you're instigating shenanigans!
When I enter them, I plan on keeping up to traffic in the lane with a two second following distance.
If they're doing 140, then no, but I will leave the lane for others.
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I think it's a common misconception that the HOV lane on a highway is 'another highway' and that it's cool to set the speed if you have the privilege of using it. It's not another highway, it's the fast lane (far left) of a multilane highway, it just has access privileges.

I understand why HOV users get frustrated when a driver/rider sets a slower pace for the HOV than the lane to the left. If traffic in the HOV lane is moving faster than you, you still have the obligation to move right into a lane running at your comfort level.
 
Relax said:
We need a curb or something like these barriers, but I assume we don't because of the cost and implications to snow clearing?

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Hell, even rumble strips set at the most aggressive cut possible would help a lot. A giant loud look at me to let people know that you are crossing the solid lines. I would prefer the flags in your picture for many reasons but anything is better than a painted line that is completely ignored by many.
 
I admit that I have crossed the solid to enter and exit but only when there was a proper gap and speed matching was not an issue. Reasoning for this is because I would rather enter and exit that lane at the appropriate speed rather than entering when I am at a dead stop or exiting and have to brake really hard into stopped or really slow moving traffic. Rumble strips might help especially if they were the width of the entire lines separating the HOV from regular. Not sure if I would cross that on my bike!
 
We have very little enforcement on 400 series highways and the people who tailgate, weave in and out of traffic, hog the left lane or the HOV lane and move in and out of the HOV lane at the wrong place know this.

Using the HOV lane as an example AI can assess the relative speed of traffic in the HOV vs. the left lane. If a vehicle in the HOV lane is moving slower than the left lane for a certain distance then you record the license plate and mail the vehicle owner a ticket. 1st offence a warning, second a fine, with escalating fines for continued infractions. Another example would be car moving to / from HOV across solid white line. Mail the vehicle owner a ticket. 1st offence a fine, with escalating fines for continued infractions.

How many tickets would a car owner have to receive for these type of infractions before they changed their behavior? An AI system could do this at relatively little cost. If a ticket is issued in error, then fight it in court as you would normally do, but if the AI algorithm parameters are properly set up there would be few disputed tickets.
 
ReSTored said:
We have very little enforcement on 400 series highways and the people who tailgate, weave in and out of traffic, hog the left lane or the HOV lane and move in and out of the HOV lane at the wrong place know this.

Using the HOV lane as an example AI can assess the relative speed of traffic in the HOV vs. the left lane. If a vehicle in the HOV lane is moving slower than the left lane for a certain distance then you record the license plate and mail the vehicle owner a ticket. 1st offence a warning, second a fine, with escalating fines for continued infractions. Another example would be car moving to / from HOV across solid white line. Mail the vehicle owner a ticket. 1st offence a fine, with escalating fines for continued infractions.

How many tickets would a car owner have to receive for these type of infractions before they changed their behavior? An AI system could do this at relatively little cost. If a ticket is issued in error, then fight it in court as you would normally do, but if the AI algorithm parameters are properly set up there would be few disputed tickets.
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Sounds great! If bikes are exempt!
 
As with all things motorcycle, it's situation dependent. Some times of day, the HOV lane is your best friend, others it should be avoided at all cost... They aren't overwhelmingly good or bad, they're just good or bad at that moment...

Also, as with all things, keeping your cool is key. Truck comes up behind you and flashes his lights, just give a big shrug like, hey bud, what do you want me to do? He can wait. Don't let the guy breathing down neck at the Tim Horton's line up stop you from making your order, likewise, hold your ground calmly, move aside when the time is right. Then they can go on their merry dooochebag way without you, on your terms.
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