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Return to office
- Thread starter matthew
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Are you going to post your old fence on kijiji for $10/lf to see if someone will haul it away?
Mad Mike
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No access to Home Depot, hammers, and saws from 9-5 should help lumber.
I did not consider that's even an option....
What I want to do first is basically power wash the garbage paint off it, sand it, and see how it looks underneath the horrible paint.
If it's good, I'll replace just the posts as it's getting wobbly and I'll assume Kevin did NOT use concrete to keep the posts in the ground.
I don't think the length was the primary factor. Two weeks in, employees discovered the joy of not commuting and businesses saw productivity did not go in the crapper (for the most part). It's hard to go back once you have experienced the change. Obviously, the longer it drags out, the more some employees will dig in their heels but I suspect after the first hit, may employees were not going back full-time. They would be happy to look for an alternate employer that is wfh most of the time.
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Depends on the business, job and the controls/oversight. I've seen the opposite where some employees are able to bring down their productivity to near nonexistant levels successfully because you cannot see what they are doing. All of this is nuance to specifics though but the oversight and the controls need to be overhauled for an unsupervised environment. Some companies/jobs pivot to WFH better than others, where as others do not.
I agree, it's not universal. For most paper pushing jobs, especially those with easy trackable metrics (eg billable hours, sales volume, reviews per day, etc) spending 25% of the time you spend at work sitting in the car is not justified for most people. Hell, a reasonable compromise could be for the employee to increase output by 10%. They need less hours per day dedicated to work and the employer gets more productivity.
That falls into the same school of thought of taking a pay cut for the "privilege" of WFH, and I'm not really a fan
Counter with “you can push the savings on AC or heating/cleaning an office that has no one in by giving us all pay rises”.
While I'm not a fan of it, it seems to be supported by law (assuming you were hired under the old regime). You signed up to show up daily at location x. Removing the need to go to location x daily was a benefit to you. The employer can choose to alter compensation so they share in the benefit. I don't know if anyone has pushed it yet or if they were just theoretical discussions though.
Go into the office and insist on max AC all summer. That should make them change their minds.
justride
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Why would employers want employees to commute to work? Smaller overhead (office space, etc) and happier work environment that would attract talent.
Would employees take a pay cut to work from home?
Would it actually be a "pay cut" ? Because you would me saving money on gas, car maintenance, and of course the commuting time.
This work place dynamic is fascinating!
Would employees take a pay cut to work from home?
Would it actually be a "pay cut" ? Because you would me saving money on gas, car maintenance, and of course the commuting time.
This work place dynamic is fascinating!
Sadly, for many, the answer to that question is stupidity. Many people feel that the only way to manage is to be constantly breathing down peoples necks. Wfh prevents this so instead of adapting their management style, they force everyone else to do it their way. At a past employer, we had one employee that commuted three+ hours to work four hours on friday. I tried to convince company to let him work from home one day a week. You should have seen the sparkle in the managers eyes when they shot down that idea. F them. I left shortly after.
Mad Mike
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Up till mid pandemic I was in banking, my campus sent more than 6000 people to WFH. They all had easy-to-measure metrics and activity monitoring so it didn't change much for them other than eliminating the commute. Productivity surged for the first year, an unintended benefit, that came about due to a huge reduction in vacancy (sickdays).
After year productivity began to fall back to pre-pandemic levels. Some things that happened:
Career mobility is somewhat stalled. The average run for entry-level positions was 1.25 years pre, over 2 years post. People in routine service and admin jobs lose employment energy as they stay in situ. Turnover started increasing as mobility within the company became slower. Job promotions started to look more at KPIs and less at things like character, teamsmanship, networking and interpersonal skills.
As a result, productivity started to decline AND new HR challenges emerged. Big organizations need people moving in career streams, both up and sideways and this stalled., I think that's why they are bringing people back -- they know how to manage things with people in the house.
I was one of the casualties (self inflicted) in that I found WFH lacked people interaction and my ability to move thru the org. I left to do something more interesting that is not WFH and I love every minute of it.
I absolutely get that WFH is not for everyone. There are a couple co-workers that I noticed that seemed to go sour without the office interactions.
Heavily weighting performance metrics is an old problem for companies of a certain size, whether or not employees are all in or out of the office. I always consider it a symptom of a larger management problem
Heavily weighting performance metrics is an old problem for companies of a certain size, whether or not employees are all in or out of the office. I always consider it a symptom of a larger management problem
We saw it both ways , i now need the guys showing up at least twice a week , there is a dynamic lost on zoom meetings and an energy level when everyone is in the sales pit .
Walking your teenage kids to school and back and taking the dog out at noon, and shooting skeet every Wednesday ( oh wait that’s me) needs to be on the back burner .
My industry has been buoyed by record profits and market conditions, but it never lasts . Time to refocus , it’s been fun for two yrs .
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Walking your teenage kids to school and back and taking the dog out at noon, and shooting skeet every Wednesday ( oh wait that’s me) needs to be on the back burner .
My industry has been buoyed by record profits and market conditions, but it never lasts . Time to refocus , it’s been fun for two yrs .
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See that is bollocks.
Lucky enough to WFH and save a boat load of gas money, meanwhile us poor suckers that haven't skipped a day at work get diddly squat
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