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Red Light ticket ouch!

TwistedKestrel said:
Be careful if/when paying it online. paytickets.ca is a dogshit website, I had to hunt down a human to straighten out a bungled transaction
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hdsomeday said:
That paytickets website looked a little dodgy to me at the time.
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They may or may not forward your payment to the Province before the deadline for payment. Ask me how I know.
 
I'm very sure, but not 100% (read somewhere), that the camera is activated 1 to 2 seconds AFTER the light turns RED.

so if you get nailed by one of these cams, you definitely blew the red. No contest.
 
Service records, calibration records, are the light functioning properly? There are always ways to challenge. But you have to weigh out the pros and cons. And of course you can always ask for it to be lowered or for more time to pay. Always worth it in my eyes! Or just tuck your plate!
 
Same as speed cameras, as much as I hate them (Ted K had something to say about technology controlling our behaviors).
On what possible grounds can you fight picture and video evidence? There's no points, so swallow your bitter pill and pay it (I know I have before).
 
Fuzzbuster said:
Service records, calibration records, are the light functioning properly? There are always ways to challenge. But you have to weigh out the pros and cons. And of course you can always ask for it to be lowered or for more time to pay. Always worth it in my eyes! Or just tuck your plate!
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The upside to cameras (for them) is service and calibration don't give you much to work with. There is a pic of light being red before you entered (with your vehicle in pic) and pic as you proceed (with your vehicle in pic as well as red). Even if the radar/timers happen to be inaccurate, that shouldn't affect their win.
 
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Well the evidence is pretty clear against me or anyone. They show you the photo in the notice. The whole intersection, with the light your vehicle and a close up of your license plate. This was at night also and all the details are there.
 
GreyGhost said:
The upside to cameras (for them) is service and calibration don't give you much to work with. There is a pic of light being red before you entered (with your vehicle in pic) and pic as you proceed (with your vehicle in pic as well as red). Even if the radar/timers happen to be inaccurate, that shouldn't affect their win.
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Hard braking or tucked plate it is then!
 
sburns said:
Well the evidence is pretty clear against me or anyone. They show you the photo in the notice. The whole intersection, with the light your vehicle and a close up of your license plate. This was at night also and all the details are there.
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Just tell them that you run reds all the time and have never gotten a ticket before!
 
I would just suck it up and pay it and treat it as a lesson learned.
If it was to get on your insurance record then I would think about fighting it.

Consider it as part of the "cost of riding" for this season. Hopefully next season doesn't cost you as much.



My wife got one several years ago. She was making a right hand turn on an intersection equipped with a red light camera. Picture came in, showed her turning WITH the brake lights on. My argument for her stopping before the line prior to completing the turn. I went to court for her and they told me the sensors in the road did not detect her stopping for 3 complete seconds and triggered the camera. I did not argue and paid it.
 
oioioi said:
I would just suck it up and pay it and treat it as a lesson learned.
If it was to get on your insurance record then I would think about fighting it.

Consider it as part of the "cost of riding" for this season. Hopefully next season doesn't cost you as much.



My wife got one several years ago. She was making a right hand turn on an intersection equipped with a red light camera. Picture came in, showed her turning WITH the brake lights on. My argument for her stopping before the line prior to completing the turn. I went to court for her and they told me the sensors in the road did not detect her stopping for 3 complete seconds and triggered the camera. I did not argue and paid it.
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this sounds odd. there's no specified length of time needed to stop in the HTA, only a complete stop is needed.

regarding sensors in the road: Im a GIS technician for a municipality. I'm currently capturing and digitizing data for the infrastructure in intersections, some of which have red light cameras. I've never seen sensors for red light cameras. It's very possible they exist, but I've never seen them indicated on any as-built drawing.
 
matthew said:
this sounds odd. there's no specified length of time needed to stop in the HTA, only a complete stop is needed.

regarding sensors in the road: Im a GIS technician for a municipality. I'm currently capturing and digitizing data for the infrastructure in intersections, some of which have red light cameras. I've never seen sensors for red light cameras. It's very possible they exist, but I've never seen them indicated on any as-built drawing.
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The sensors that I am referring to are the lines that are cut into the asphalt and caulked with tar (that we all hate) just before the big white line.

These detect if a car is standing there on the red light so the lights can change and also if you came to a complete stop in case of a red light camera.

Here is a picture of the exact intersection this happened on.
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Another one with cuts and tar in brand new asphalt.
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Interesting @oioioi i always wondered what type of sensors the red light cameras used.

I thought it was some optical / radar voodoo magic.

The ones that trigger the advance left are easy to spot as a big square in the lane, but I’ve never noticed these before.
 
GreyGhost said:
I haven't seen the output from those but I highly doubt you could tell is a car was stopped for three seconds with them. It's an inductive loop so it should push a signal when there is a vehicle moving above but most loops are big enough for more than one vehicle (to allow you to be in a range of positions and still trigger the light). In any case, I highly doubt there is a tie in to fixed infrastructure. It would be easier and smarter to use commonly available optical recognition/processing to decide when to flash.

Iirc, they have speed on the ticket (@sburns can confirm). Not sure if that is radar or time between pics/distance calc.
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The notice I have doesn't have speed listed. Just the amount of time he light was red.
 
oioioi said:
I would just suck it up and pay it and treat it as a lesson learned.
If it was to get on your insurance record then I would think about fighting it.

Consider it as part of the "cost of riding" for this season. Hopefully next season doesn't cost you as much.



My wife got one several years ago. She was making a right hand turn on an intersection equipped with a red light camera. Picture came in, showed her turning WITH the brake lights on. My argument for her stopping before the line prior to completing the turn. I went to court for her and they told me the sensors in the road did not detect her stopping for 3 complete seconds and triggered the camera. I did not argue and paid it.
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Because you challenged it in court did they award demerit points? Was there any reduction or increase from the original amount on the ticket?
 
sburns said:
The notice I have doesn't have speed listed. Just the amount of time he light was red.
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Interesting.
I believe a friend got one and it did list the speed of travel. Technically if they wanted to, they can double dip. But we are not at the stage .....YET.


Fuzzbuster said:
Because you challenged it in court did they award demerit points? Was there any reduction or increase from the original amount on the ticket?
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No they did not. Did not go on insurance record either.
It did not get to trial. The JP explained this to me and I figured it wasn't worth the trial option as it would most likely be a loss.
 
oioioi said:
Interesting.
I believe a friend got one and it did list the speed of travel. Technically if they wanted to, they can double dip. But we are not at the stage .....YET.
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Nope read it again just now, no indication of speed.
I know right, yet, I'm sure it's all there ready to go when they flip the switch.
 
sburns said:
Nope read it again just now, no indication of speed.
I know right, yet, I'm sure it's all there ready to go when they flip the switch.
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Many jurisdictions have that setup. Speed up to get the yellow, get a ticket. Don't speed up and run the red, get a ticket. Hit the brakes and get rear-ended, no ticket for you.
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