And maybe I should have specified those stupid aftermarket fogs, because that was what I was talking about. I believe that was what the poster, who originally mentioned them, was also talking about.
Make sense now?
Really? Highbeams during the day???
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And maybe I should have specified those stupid aftermarket fogs, because that was what I was talking about. I believe that was what the poster, who originally mentioned them, was also talking about.
Make sense now?
Most people would be afraid to flash a motorcycle.
And they also think that they must be really freaking bright low beams.
It still annoy's them.
And they also think that they must be really freaking bright low beams.
It still annoy's them.
Prince
Banned
What's with the OP's bizarre complaints? Last time it was "people driving up beside him at a traffic light to say hi." These things really bother you man? If so, you're headed for a heart attack!
"Target fixation" is not necessarily a bad thing when driving into an intersection. You mess with people's brains. The would-be moron that's going to try and turn left in front of you, his brain is now fixated and thus confused and removed from his inner thoughts. He is now aware and concentrating on you and will likely not proceed.
"Target fixation" is not necessarily a bad thing when driving into an intersection. You mess with people's brains. The would-be moron that's going to try and turn left in front of you, his brain is now fixated and thus confused and removed from his inner thoughts. He is now aware and concentrating on you and will likely not proceed.
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Actually 'target fixation' is always a bad thing, because it makes drivers tend to drive towards you, rather than around you. That's why it's referred to as 'target fixation.'
Prince
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Not if it's static. A cager stopped ready to turn left in front of you. As written, this is the most common motorcycle accident scenario. This is a case where target fixation (high beams) will work in your favor. The cager most likely will think twice about driving into a bright light and racing you across the intersection. Instead of seeing an object, he/she is seeing an object that's disturbing to the brain (bright light). He/she is now focused on you as the brain is disturbed, and inner chatter is (for the moment) turned off. This increases the chance exponentially that they will not drive out in front of you.
Then I think that you're failing to understand the definition of the term 'target fixation.'
From Wikipedia:
Target fixation is a process by which the brain is focused so intently on an observed object that awareness of other obstacles or hazards can diminish. Also, in an avoidance scenario, the observer can become so fixated on the target that they will forget to take the necessary action to avoid it, thus colliding with the object.
This is a common issue for motorcyclists and mountain bikers. A motorcycle or bicycle will tend to go where the rider is looking; if the rider is overly focused on an obstacle, the cycle can collide with that object simply because of the rider's focus on it, even though the rider is ostensibly trying to avoid it.
The term "target fixation" may have been borrowed from World War II fighter pilots, who spoke of a tendency to want to fly into targets during a strafing run. For instance, it is believed that a previous head injury to Manfred von Richthofen, the Red Baron, caused the famed flying ace to develop that process that caused him to disregard proper caution and become an easy target for Allied forces to fatally bring him down.
Target fixation may also refer to a phenomenon where a skydiver may forget to pull the ripcord because he or she is so focused on the landing area.
Poser
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I'm a firm believer of this,
Hopefully we are still talking about daytime, And I would usually sway right to left too(it for sure freaks them out), and atleast I'm already in a turning kinda motion to be ready for anything, instead of just a straight line.
Prince
Banned
I know what target fixation is. Perhaps it doesn't apply here in the true meaning. Maybe "target awareness" is a better term? A cager is basically parked while waiting to turn left in front of you. People by nature are in a hypnotic state while driving cars. The more you aggravate or disturb the brain of the cager and take them out of that hypnotic state, the less likely he/she is going to drive out in front of you. High beams will do just that. So will a wheelie, but high beams might be the safer choice.
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And if they're already moving...?
Griffin
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This is one of those fundamental issues that discussions based on logic, law and physics will not change the minds of others. Those that think driving wih highbeams on is safer cannot be convinced otherwise.
The facts are irrelevant.
It annoys the hell out of me when people do it. Makes me want to drive right at them or, if they're behind me, break check them. Normally I manage to quell that desire.
Amongst the things I don't understand about those that do these annoying things (and I include the use of fog lamps all the time) is that they really don't care that they're annoying other drivers. Now, if you're driving a monster pick up you may be relatively immune to reaction but if you're on two wheels you're vulnerable and now you've ****** off even the more reasonable drivers on the road. Is that really what you're shooting for? If so, good on ya. If not, you may want to rethink this.
The facts are irrelevant.
It annoys the hell out of me when people do it. Makes me want to drive right at them or, if they're behind me, break check them. Normally I manage to quell that desire.
Amongst the things I don't understand about those that do these annoying things (and I include the use of fog lamps all the time) is that they really don't care that they're annoying other drivers. Now, if you're driving a monster pick up you may be relatively immune to reaction but if you're on two wheels you're vulnerable and now you've ****** off even the more reasonable drivers on the road. Is that really what you're shooting for? If so, good on ya. If not, you may want to rethink this.
Poser
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then its time for your braking brain and your other reflexes to kick in and do something about the situation ahead, that you should be aware of.
its been talked about a gazillion times, left turning vehicles will always be a problem, so drive or ride safely thru the intersection, once you see a turner in either direction.
Last time that I had to deal with a left turning vehicle, I had less than 0.3 seconds to react. My headlight was right at the level of his head. He 'couldn't' have missed it. I'm rather proud of myself for managing to get the front end diving under braking, before I flew over his car.
Things happen fast.
Poser
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what i don't get is, on a motorcycle forum, most of the readers of this particular issue, knows why other people have their highbeams on(daytime), definitely speaking about their safety(being seen), but yet seem to have a problem with it.
where and when did you ever heard about a motorcycle collision that mentioned the accident was caused by the rider having his highbeams on?
where and when did you ever heard about a motorcycle collision that mentioned the accident was caused by the rider having his highbeams on?
Poser
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put your highbeams on!!!!
i started riding since 1990, and find this as a solution
High beams on or off, it wouldn't have mattered. Like I said, my headlight was already at the level of his head.
I started riding in 1984, and haven't found this to be a solution.
Driving against traffic gets peoples attention better than high-beams. Try that, or maybe use the double wammy of high-beams against traffic.
I wouldn't do it because it's illegal and unsafe, but maybe some of you can make an argument for it being safer.
I wouldn't do it because it's illegal and unsafe, but maybe some of you can make an argument for it being safer.
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dr_sarcasm
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You need to understand that old age makes certain folk crotchety - I just read his/her threads for the amusement value. His/her last thread (the one you mention) where he informed people he was an instructor and then got into verbal sparring (which is always a good thing when you're an instructor...so much for the high ground approach) about how he could out-ride the other chap was comedy gold.
I look forward to his next public thread (and no doubt, it will be as vociferous as this one).
I am curious to find this out as well. I agree it's annoying, but never been blinded - if anything the sun is more blinding than some other person's motorcycle high beam.
