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RCMP Officer, drunk, kills motorcyclist, 21

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nobbie48 said:
I understand the difference between allegation and guilty and yeah, it sucks. However, where were the managers, HR people, WSIB sorts, Ministry of Labour etc that should have been on top of this crap instead of letting it go on for years or decades?

In private industry they have to act on it or go belly up. The governments just add the costs to your tax bill.
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In private industry they still can't fire without cause. Unless they're willing to break rules and pay the resultant price. Public services are not allowed to break the rules. That's the only difference.
 
It's really fun, in Taiwan or China, cops get their *** kicked.

Here, cops are borderline corrupt.

Is there a country where cops will actually do their job?
 
Griffin said:
Pending the outcome of an investigation they have to pay salary. Think about it. If they didn't they would in effect be convicting the cop as soon as the investigation began. Everyone is entitled to due process (except American citizens that the President wants terminated, apparently, but I digress) and you can't stop a person's pay due to an allegation. And if they are accused of something that prohibits them from continuing in their regular position, what else can be done/

It sucks if the person is guilty but it's not surprising.
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It wasn't an allegation, it was a charge.

What about if someone gets pulled over for a traffic offense. He shows up late for work and gets fired. Then they fight the ticket and win can they sue the employer for dismissal without cause? It's the same thing as being charged with a crime he didn't commit, except in this case the guy shows up 2 years late for work while he fights his case.

At the very least they can put him on a reduced salary while he's on leave fighting the charge, or withhold payments pending a not guilty verdict.

Who else here gets a magic neverending salary if they're charged with a crime, especially if it's work related?
 
fastar1 said:
It wasn't an allegation, it was a charge.

What about if someone gets pulled over for a traffic offense. He shows up late for work and gets fired. Then they fight the ticket and win can they sue the employer for dismissal without cause? It's the same thing as being charged with a crime he didn't commit, except in this case the guy shows up 2 years late for work while he fights his case.

At the very least they can put him on a reduced salary while he's on leave fighting the charge, or withhold payments pending a not guilty verdict.

Who else here gets a magic neverending salary if they're charged with a crime, especially if it's work related?
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A charge is an allegation until its proven in court. Ever hear of "innocent until proven guilty"?

In your example the guy was fired for being late, not for allegedly speeding. And yes, if it was the only time they were late they would win a wrongful dismissal case, should they wish to file one and pursue it for 2-5 years. If the cop missed his shift because he was arrested he could be suspended for a couple of shifts I suppose but the employer isn't going to be able to justify firing him because he was late for work and so, being a responsible employer, as public services are expected to be, they can't fire him.

And, to answer you last question - anyone that works for a credible employer that must follow the rules.

I'm not saying it's good but it is the rules.
 
Griffin said:
In private industry they still can't fire without cause. Unless they're willing to break rules and pay the resultant price. Public services are not allowed to break the rules. That's the only difference.
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In private business the company might have to cough up a six months to a years salary and it's done legally. In government the perp dusts a desk for years at full salary while their position is being handled by a co-worker on overtime. Since the perp is on the books as working they have technically earned their pay so no claw back.

I plead guilty to high jacking the motorcycle related post. If there is any added M/C content maybe someone can get the thread back on track.

It's easy enough to start an anti government thread in the romper room.
 
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Paul said:
Question...would you guys lose your job for drunk driving and killing someone? Didn't think so..:rolleyes:
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I'd lose my job for getting into a fender-bender while talking on the cellphone... even hands-free (on company time). I don't want to know what would happen if I was involved in the scenario you presented.
 
EngineerJoe said:
I'd lose my job for getting into a fender-bender while talking on the cellphone... even hands-free (on company time). I don't want to know what would happen if I was involved in the scenario you presented.
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To add to this, there was a BC lawyer, quite senior, who drove drunk on the anniversary of his wife's death, hit a wall, didn't hurt anyone.

Got disbarred.
 
Griffin said:
A charge is an allegation until its proven in court. Ever hear of "innocent until proven guilty"?
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"Innocent until what..."?

Yeah yeah smartypants. I should have said it wasn't JUST an allegation, it was a charge. You were soft pedaling the severity of the situation.
 
EngineerJoe said:
I'd lose my job for getting into a fender-bender while talking on the cellphone... even hands-free (on company time). I don't want to know what would happen if I was involved in the scenario you presented.
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I'm glad there are companies out there that will **** you for being a horribad driver if driving is part of your job description.

The problem with Canadians as a whole is that the majority rely on everyone else way too much.

Here we have somebody that murdered a rider, part of our community, drunk and has to drive lots during his work (I think...since he is a RCMP). And people aren't raged and want the guy fired?

wtfbbq?
 
油井緋色;1755454 said:
I'm glad there are companies out there that will **** you for being a horribad driver if driving is part of your job description.

The problem with Canadians as a whole is that the majority rely on everyone else way too much.

Here we have somebody that murdered a rider, part of our community, drunk and has to drive lots during his work (I think...since he is a RCMP). And people aren't raged and want the guy fired?

wtfbbq?
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I don't want the guy fired. I want the guy in jail.
 
Griffin said:
I don't want the guy fired. I want the guy in jail.
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I've heard multiple cases involving people driving (drunk or not) killing someone, and just getting a slap on the wrist. Unless you're WAY over the 0.08 (or was it 0.8? lol dunno, I just know it's 3 beers in 3 hours for me!) you don't go to jail.

But don't get me wrong, I agree.
 
Jayv said:
http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Se...ty+Robinson+involved+fatal/6964826/story.html
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The judge noted that Robinson, who was trained in first aid, never approached Hutchinson to offer help but instead told two people who came upon the accident to call 911, gave them his driver's licence then took his two children home and put them to bed.

Before leaving home to return to the scene he took two shots of vodka.
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Holy ****, **** this guy. What a scumbag.​
 
Also had his 2 kids in the car when he drove home drunk. What a winner.
 
not toooo long ago i made a comment about how little i trust the police... this story is a perfect example and solidifies my feelings..
 
Soooooooooooo....... the cops initially tried to protect and defend him, then their cover up / smokescreens failed, and now they are forced into one last desperate attempt to save face, so they fire his *** and throw him to the dogs!! Fantastic.
 
OpenGambit said:
To add to this, there was a BC lawyer, quite senior, who drove drunk on the anniversary of his wife's death, hit a wall, didn't hurt anyone.

Got disbarred.
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I believe it. With Professional Engineers, a DUI conviction means you lose your professional license as well (if the DUI carries a criminal conviction, which I believe it does)
 
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