Racer shoves his way through a pass (video)

[Rob MacLennan]

If you look really closely he is actually pulling the lead rider backwards.
If you do this to another rider, you will pick up speed, while you hold him back.
If you don't believe me, go try it on bicycles on your street.
It's plain that he did it.

And stop suggesting that I use drugs please.

If you look not so carefully, you'll see that they were both moving forward at an extreme rate of speed. Any 'backward' movement is an optical illusion, based on point of view. You don't gain any appreciable increase speed by yanking on someone, when you're trying to move a 160 pound rider and a 550 pound motorcycle. Don't believe me? Sit on a motorcycle and try to pull yourself forward, by your clutch hand.

You do, however, screw with that person's ability to control the bike.

 

[FriendlyFoe]

If you do this to another rider, you will pick up speed.

And stop suggesting that I use drugs please.

Then stop saying things to which the only logical conclusion is that you must be stoned out of your tree!

You actually hink that at 150+ km/h with the throttle wide open that he is leveraging himself forward by pushing off the other rider? Okay maybe not drugs, but have you been hit in the head really hard as of recent?

 

[Low rider]

Ok, I'm finished with you guys.
YOU have never tried this.
I have.
You do slow the other guy down while you take advantage of his momentum.
Go give it a try and get back to me.

Done.

Then stop saying things to which the only logical conclusion is that you must be stoned out of your tree!

You actually hink that at 150+ km/h with the throttle wide open that he is leveraging himself forward by pushing off the other rider? Okay maybe not drugs, but have you been hit in the head really hard as of recent?

 

[reciprocity]

If you look not so carefully, you'll see that they were both moving forward at an extreme rate of speed. Any 'backward' movement is an optical illusion, based on point of view. You don't gain any appreciable increase speed by yanking on someone, when you're trying to move a 160 pound rider and a 550 pound motorcycle. Don't believe me? Sit on a motorcycle and try to pull yourself forward, by your clutch hand.

You do, however, screw with that person's ability to control the bike.

I disagree,


This is an old flat track racing trick and I can tell you from first hand experience being on both sides of the equation that it does work.

 

[Rob MacLennan]

I disagree,


This is an old flat track racing trick and I can tell you from first hand experience being on both sides of the equation that it does work.

How much does a flat track bike weigh? I would still ague that you're getting far more advantage by interfering with the other rider's throttle control.

 

[reciprocity]

How much does a flat track bike weigh? I would still ague that you're getting far more advantage by interfering with the other rider's throttle control.

What if you don't interfere with the rider(this is the way it's normally done) you grab the rear fender of the bike you're trying to pass and pull yourself forward, it works.

As for the weight issue, I did it about a month ago riding a 300lb supermoto bike to a rider on a ZX6 during a trackday at TMP.

The other bike was much faster than what I was riding(40hp vs 115ish) so I used the corner entry and mid corner speed advantage to get next to the other bike and pull myself past on exit.

(for the safety nerds, we were the only 2 bikes on the track and he knew I was going to do it,, he just didn't know where)

 

[Rob MacLennan]

What if you don't interfere with the rider(this is the way it's normally done) you grab the rear fender of the bike you're trying to pass and pull yourself forward, it works.

As for the weight issue, I did it about a month ago riding a 300lb supermoto bike to a rider on a ZX6 during a trackday at TMP.

The other bike was much faster than what I was riding(40hp vs 115ish) so I used the corner entry and mid corner speed advantage to get next to the other bike and pull myself past on exit.

(for the safety nerds, we were the only 2 bikes on the track and he knew I was going to do it,, he just didn't know where)

While my knowledge of physics doesn't support it, I'll bow to real world experience. At least you've been on the track, unlike Low Rider.

I would ask, though, if you were actually speeding yourself up or slowing the other rider down, with the extra mass.

 

[Low rider]

Right?

What if you don't interfere with the rider(this is the way it's normally done) you grab the rear fender of the bike you're trying to pass and pull yourself forward, it works.

As for the weight issue, I did it about a month ago riding a 300lb supermoto bike to a rider on a ZX6 during a trackday at TMP.

The other bike was much faster than what I was riding(40hp vs 115ish) so I used the corner entry and mid corner speed advantage to get next to the other bike and pull myself past on exit.

(for the safety nerds, we were the only 2 bikes on the track and he knew I was going to do it,, he just didn't know where)

 

[eastcoast_gsx]

While I agree that it will slow them down and give you a real advantage... The bike is not moving backwards unless the tires are spinning backwards... and that is clearly not the case.

 

[Low rider]

Why do people just blurt out stuff with no experience in the matter?

 

[reciprocity]

While my knowledge of physics doesn't support it, I'll bow to real world experience. At least you've been on the track, unlike Low Rider.

Jason DiSalvo did it to me about 5 years ago during a supermoto race at Batavia, NY, this was my first experience with it.

He did nothing to touch my throttle arm etc, just grabbed the rear fender and pulled himself past while we were both wide open.

I'll get video of this happening for you when ice season starts.

 

[eastcoast_gsx]

Why do people just blurt out stuff with no experience in the matter?

Are you refering to what I wrote there? He may be "moving backwards" in relation to the other rider, or the potential of his forward motion if not subject to the interference, but dude is not truly moiving backwards... not even close. (if that is even what you implied)

 

[Low rider]

I am truelly not a man because I have never ridden on a track. I must bow down to all the Gods who are very manly and visit the track.
I am just a lowly wimp.
I am sorry.

While my knowledge of physics doesn't support it, I'll bow to real world experience. At least you've been on the track, unlike Low Rider.

I would ask, though, if you were actually speeding yourself up or slowing the other rider down, with the extra mass.

 

[Rob MacLennan]

I am truelly not a man because I have never ridden on a track. I must bow down to all the Gods who are very manly and visit the track.
I am just a lowly wimp.
I am sorry.

Interesting. I don't recall saying any of that. I'm sorry if you feel that way about yourself, but my comment pertains to your lack of on-track experience.

 

[omnivore]

These two riders are friends. O'Hara probably thought it would be funny....obviously Barnes didn't, and nor would I........friends or not, when there is $25,000 prize money lying in the balance, don't **** around.

 

[Mr.Azim]

The sad part is him enjoying the cool down lap thinking he would get away with it.... thumbs up and fist pump? please.

 

[unL33T]

Other guy should've kicked him or something.