If a business was buying a $1000 tablet for that, they are in trouble anyway. Any device runs the app. An old phone, a new $200 android tablet, etc.
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Province(s) start lifting Covid 19 restrictions
- Thread starter justride
- Start date
I have been to at least one that was just looking at the piece of paper and DL no tablets.
Sent using a thumb maybe 2
It's complete hit or miss , the AGCO email that came out with the opening announcement said ' this is how this shall be done" , however, I've been in a dozen restaurants in the last few weeks, Oakville Burlington scanning, KW nope, London nope, Toronto scanning. Most mom and pops are just taking a name / number and looking at id. Bars definately tighter than diners , but the whole wear a mask unless you are seated lasts until beer # 2 or somebody needs to dance ( beer #3)
Relax
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The places I've been to, the staff just used their personal phones.
And people think only the poor people are using CERB to stay ahead of COVID! Meanwhile yacht clubs are getting 50k in grants and subsidies....
Not sure why my brain hurts today.
Don't look at the private ski clubs. They hit the lottery. Hundreds of thousands of our money flowed in.
ifiddles
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@Brian P I don't agree with proof of vaccination for the following reason...if you're vaccinated and in relatively good health, then you shouldn't be too worried about severe complications from the virus...those that aren't vaccinated should be the ones worried about the possibility of severe illness...if people who are vaccinated were 100% proven to be virus free and/or unable to be contagious and pass the virus on, then keep the proof as a mandate...however, we know that being vaccinated does not prevent you from getting ill or from spreading the virus, so really, what's the sense...
as for testing prior to getting on a plane/bus/train whatever within 72 hours, I too think that's ridiculous...for example, my co-worker is going to Portugal for March break...he leaves Friday after school so planning on getting his PCR test on Wednesday...so say it comes back negative?...great, however, that doesn't mean he might not have caught something in the time between getting tested and leaving?
honestly, with the amount of people that have already had any of the variants to date, we really need to stop with all these mandates and start learning to live with it, just like the flu...
as for testing prior to getting on a plane/bus/train whatever within 72 hours, I too think that's ridiculous...for example, my co-worker is going to Portugal for March break...he leaves Friday after school so planning on getting his PCR test on Wednesday...so say it comes back negative?...great, however, that doesn't mean he might not have caught something in the time between getting tested and leaving?
honestly, with the amount of people that have already had any of the variants to date, we really need to stop with all these mandates and start learning to live with it, just like the flu...
As a start "Dr. John Campbell on YouTube is not a medical doctor. He is a nurse and lecturer who teaches nursing studies". When you are intentionally misleading about your credentials, it is hard to think what follows is more credible. He does have a PhD in education, but when you are presenting medical information and refer to yourself as doctor, that is intentionally misleading.
Agree that it is misleading given the topic of discussion. It's more about the content than him though. All I want to know is what does the latest research show, and he references some good articles in his videos - so I can then go in and read them and judge for myself. European countries have long been looking at previous infection, we haven't much at all. I'm not sure why that's been the case.
ifiddles
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They were also closed for most of the season last year. The only jurisdiction in north america that closed ski hills. That would actually hurt a lot, its a sh*tload of revenues that were lost between the skiing itself and the amenities not being used at all.
All the groomers, lifties, ski patrol, logistics...laid off.
And summer operations dont make anywhere as much as what the winter provides
It's a recreational club personally owned by rich people. They can float it or let it fold.
An exclusive Ontario ski club accumulated an $815,000 surplus after receiving more than a half-million dollars in federal wage subsidies during the pandemic, using the windfall to upgrade its snow-making system and make other capital improvements.
"This season's solid financial position (primarily driven by the wage subsidy and high level of initiation fees) has made essential capital work possible and also provided us with the funds to replace our 50-year-old snow-making compressors, a year earlier than planned," club treasurer Gary Walters wrote in a report to members earlier this fall.
Even with fewer ski days due to pandemic restrictions, Mansfield's bottom line improved, with a decline in operating revenue more than offset by fewer expenses. The club reported $2.889 million in overall revenues — $147,000 more than in fiscal 2019-20.
It’s about making it inconvenient to operate as unvaccinated. Vaccinated regardless of your personal health means a greater chance of not taking up hospital resources.
Choices, consequences, etc
Broad stroke of the paint brush there.
Chances of ending up in hospital a 18 year old non vax, vs 80 yr fully vaxxed. My money is on the Youngster.
Lets not bring in poor health choices into that equation either, the fat guys and smokers....
You lost me sorry.
No worries.
That's not what the data says.
Unfortunately i have to go to quebec data to get an idea..they have similar vax rates in their population but because we don't provide "hospitalizations by age" type of data for ontario for some reason.
Here's the weekly rate per 100k of hospitalization by age and vax status, the compiled rates of unvaxxed 5-49y old are less likely to get in the hospital (on most weeks) than the vaccinated 80+ y old alone. But i think that's unfair..because just in general, the 80 year old is way more likely to get hospitalized for ANYTHING at this point in life.
Thanks. Forwarded to an acquaintance that was having trouble finding age/vax/hospitalization data. Seems like a very useful data set but not easily accessible from most government stats. Whether that is because of laziness, incompetence or active control of the message will be forever debated.
Priller
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The transmissibility and relatively low risk of Omicron has also changed the math around protecting oneself vs protecting others. Pre-Omicron, being vaccinated did significantly reduce an individual's risk of passing the virus along, making the shot as much about protecting others as yourself, hence the requirements for public spaces. Now the data is much less clear (though it's not surprising considering the vaccines were developed for the first variant almost two years ago). But Omicron is so recent, it's taken a bit of time for policy to catch up, especially as assumptions need to be proven.
As for testing before travel, I put that one in the same box as masks, at worst a very minor inconvenience, and therefore worth doing even if the benefits aren't guaranteed.
What worries me is that we got very lucky with the relative mildness of Omicron, but there's still a very good chance of another variant coming along that is much worse. I think our self-obsessed consumer culture narcissism means it'll be really hard for a big chunk of the population to cope with renewed restrictions.
Great chart, though Omicron has changed things there too, making things like simple hospitalisation less of a clean marker and with many being hospitalised for a much shorter time. There's also the whole contagion within the hospital, making it very difficult to determine causes for both hospitalisation and death on a binary basis.
I'm involved in a construction project at a major Toronto hospital, and in one of the pre-meeting small talk sessions, one of their managers was saying she was told by one of their senior doctors that as you go up the severity ladder, the percentage of unvaccinated cases gets higher and higher, regardless of age. The larger and better equipped Toronto ICUs often receive the most acute cases from smaller regional hospitals, so they're seeing the worst of the worst. It's yet another vague anecdotal account in a world awash in "my buddy's wife is a nurse and she says..." garbage, but I'd like to see the incidence rates indexed across some markers of severity, like basic hospitalisation, ICU hospitalisation, serious intervention (respirator, ventilated, blood oxygenation, etc.), and death. Of course, the medical professionals have all worked to the absolute limit just trying to save lives, so adding a bunch more data admin may not be workable. Looking at the crazy ongoing US deaths that everyone seems to have gotten numb to is enough for me...
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