bigpoppa
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there are many ways to skin that cat
Anyone with half a brain and talent is leaving canada asap, its basically a feudal society atm:
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there are many ways to skin that cat
Anyone with half a brain and talent is leaving canada asap, its basically a feudal society atm:
These were a few years ago, so maybe different motivations now for US employers looking for Canadian talent.
This all reminds me of the "brain drain" problem we had in Canada in the mid-90s to early 2000s. It's something I personally went through - evaluating whether to move to the US for work because of their relatively low taxes, but mainly because the salaries were so much more higher.
In 2000, StatsCan released a study on highly skilled workers leaving Canada for "greener pastures". There were some, mainly in STEM and primarily in the medical sciences, but they were more than replaced by immigrants from other countries.
These immigrants would then go on to buy houses and enjoy the explosive growth in urban Canadian real estate. They became the same class of homeowners hated by the younger generation today, who are ironically now also looking for residency and employment opportunities south of the border.
History repeats itself.
Canadians who renounced residency faced fascist FATCA tax reporting rules which still haunt them to this day even after emigrating back to Canada. If they applied for work visas, many found they couldn't leave the US for vacation or to visit family without big hassles upon re-entry to the US. If they were without adequate medical insurance, emergency room visits and hospitalization could run up to 5-6 figures instead of it being free if they were in Canada.
I ended up working for a US company with a satellite office in Canada. Got paid at US scale, and crossed the border on a TN Visa. Later on, US customs cracked down on the TN requirements, scrutinizing previous employment and education history, and I was denied a renewal. The company had to pay a lot of money to secure me an L1B visa. After a few years of that, they just cancelled all my US travel and I worked in Canada exclusively, still at US DotCom scale. All while being a homeowner in the 416 the entire time.
I guess I was lucky to have my cake and eat it too.
Based on my experience, if you plan to leave Canada, at least walk through the exit door with eyes wide open.
In 2000, StatsCan released a study on highly skilled workers leaving Canada for "greener pastures". There were some, mainly in STEM and primarily in the medical sciences, but they were more than replaced by immigrants from other countries.
These immigrants would then go on to buy houses and enjoy the explosive growth in urban Canadian real estate. They became the same class of homeowners hated by the younger generation today, who are ironically now also looking for residency and employment opportunities south of the border.
History repeats itself.
Canadians who renounced residency faced fascist FATCA tax reporting rules which still haunt them to this day even after emigrating back to Canada. If they applied for work visas, many found they couldn't leave the US for vacation or to visit family without big hassles upon re-entry to the US. If they were without adequate medical insurance, emergency room visits and hospitalization could run up to 5-6 figures instead of it being free if they were in Canada.
I ended up working for a US company with a satellite office in Canada. Got paid at US scale, and crossed the border on a TN Visa. Later on, US customs cracked down on the TN requirements, scrutinizing previous employment and education history, and I was denied a renewal. The company had to pay a lot of money to secure me an L1B visa. After a few years of that, they just cancelled all my US travel and I worked in Canada exclusively, still at US DotCom scale. All while being a homeowner in the 416 the entire time.
I guess I was lucky to have my cake and eat it too.
Based on my experience, if you plan to leave Canada, at least walk through the exit door with eyes wide open.
There's a list of professions eligible for TN visa. And it's not very long one.
Even Indians would like not to live in India, but that's not the point.
bigpoppa
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yes, thats why I said if you had half decent career prospects, they not hankering for plumbers or carpenters down there.
Also if your profession isnt explicitly stated on there, even if its peripherally related, and you get a job offer from the US, you can still easily go to the states. (with the TN visa or some other visa)
The canadian brain drain is real and accelerating, but house prices go brrr
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If you have a four year degree, it is not hard to obtain a TN VISA and companies are more willing than a H1B
Visas for Canadian and Mexican NAFTA Professional Workers
An interesting exercise is to revisit this thread (and others) a year or two later to see who actually moves to the US after all this grumbling.
Many Americans threatened to immigrate to the Canada if Trump won the election in 2016. How many of them actually did?
A lot of people talk. Not many people actually follow through.
I should know. I was one of them back in the original great Canadian brain drain threat of 90s. StatsCan confirmed, less than 1% of all high-paying, highly educated, skilled workers left during that period. Much less if the entire workforce was taken into consideration.
Many Americans threatened to immigrate to the Canada if Trump won the election in 2016. How many of them actually did?
A lot of people talk. Not many people actually follow through.
I should know. I was one of them back in the original great Canadian brain drain threat of 90s. StatsCan confirmed, less than 1% of all high-paying, highly educated, skilled workers left during that period. Much less if the entire workforce was taken into consideration.
bigpoppa
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This. so much this^
I'll also add i've heard lots of american headhunters specifically come after canadian talent, we got world class talent(imported) working at **** wages, we're cheaper than american competition, and most of us would still be better off financially working in the states
I've also heard canadian tech companies have large turnover, as anyone with experience quits and goes to the US the first chance they get, for double the wages and greener pastures
I suspect this is likely overblown, much like the wild west gun problem, where if you cross the border you will magically get shot with an eagle shirt wearing, ar-15 totting lunatic.
bigpoppa
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I cant imagine the housing market was anywhere close to this insane back then though
Thread has been bookmarked. We'll see who's still here in 12 months, 24 months, etc.
bigpoppa
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My brothers L1 was a mess. He was told to keep it in his passport but half the time at the border, the agent would tell him they were required to remove it. He would explain that he had been through it before and they were supposed to leave it and they would get pissy and take it. Then when he returned they would be pissy that he didn't have the tiny piece of paper and he would have to explain that their coworker had taken it. About half the times he crossed they took it and he had to get it reissued.
My brother lives and works in the States on a work visa. He missed a Christmas in Toronto because the US border told him that if he left, they wouldn't let him back in. He had to turn around and drive all the way back.
That may have happened a few times too. One travel mode (IIRC air) was reasonably painless but crossing at a land crossing was a crapshoot at best.
bigpoppa
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Priller
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I spent a number of years crossing the border into the US with an L1a management visa.
Two things:
First, for me, many US cities are not where I'd like to live. I spent varying amounts of time working in Seattle, Portland, San Diego, Fargo, Houston, Dallas, Austin, Nashville, Detroit, Newark, Allentown, Rochester, Providence, Tampa and Miami. Only Seattle and Detroit (yup - friendliest city I worked in) were places I could see myself living once the novelty wore off. There's more to life than money, and the quality of life sacrifices would be too much. The tax situation is often not much better (and sometimes worse) once you factor in health insurance, too. Maybe it's because my wife and I much prefer the European approach to life, but a lot of US culture is absolutely not for me.
Second, you live your life at the mercy of US border guards who are shockingly uneducated on the basics of visas and what can be used where. They have unlimited confidence in their own knowledge, though, so disagreeing is a fast track to more serious consequences. We had one engineer with a TN visa get his visa stripped and a note placed on his file to prevent reentry that cost many tens of thousands in legal fees to undo, all over some wannabe cop getting his panties in a twist because someone dared to show him wording that proved that guard was wrong. We had a visa application refused on a technicality because the applicant said he would be showing some US workers how to do a task (he was applying for an L1b, specialized knowledge, visa, so training was a necessary aspect of his job), which again, cost plenty in legal fees. If you plan to stay down there, fair enough, but if crossing the border is something you'll need to do, be warned.
Two things:
First, for me, many US cities are not where I'd like to live. I spent varying amounts of time working in Seattle, Portland, San Diego, Fargo, Houston, Dallas, Austin, Nashville, Detroit, Newark, Allentown, Rochester, Providence, Tampa and Miami. Only Seattle and Detroit (yup - friendliest city I worked in) were places I could see myself living once the novelty wore off. There's more to life than money, and the quality of life sacrifices would be too much. The tax situation is often not much better (and sometimes worse) once you factor in health insurance, too. Maybe it's because my wife and I much prefer the European approach to life, but a lot of US culture is absolutely not for me.
Second, you live your life at the mercy of US border guards who are shockingly uneducated on the basics of visas and what can be used where. They have unlimited confidence in their own knowledge, though, so disagreeing is a fast track to more serious consequences. We had one engineer with a TN visa get his visa stripped and a note placed on his file to prevent reentry that cost many tens of thousands in legal fees to undo, all over some wannabe cop getting his panties in a twist because someone dared to show him wording that proved that guard was wrong. We had a visa application refused on a technicality because the applicant said he would be showing some US workers how to do a task (he was applying for an L1b, specialized knowledge, visa, so training was a necessary aspect of his job), which again, cost plenty in legal fees. If you plan to stay down there, fair enough, but if crossing the border is something you'll need to do, be warned.
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Yes, airport guards are a cut above, but the first incident above happened at an airport, and I had a few long waits at customs in Vancouver when flying out while they disappeared in the back, so it's not a guarantee against stupid. I got the impression that some just hated the idea of foreigners working in the US and would look for any excuse to deny entry....
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