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Popping wheelies at walmart after business hours.

Growing up in a small town , we had town police....my buddy took his now IROC out in 86 and did donuts in the local mall parking lot. I was with him in the car and he got pulled over, the cop told him he could write him a ticket or he could talk to his father ( his father was the fire chief lol). He took the ticket and paid it. He said if he paid it the cop would show up with his dad to court. I think it was a 38 dollar fine for what i can't remember no points.
I am sure he could have gotten nailed for more or worse taken back behind the barn. ;)
 
turbodish said:
A mall parking lot may be private property, but it is still considered a public space to which the public has generally open access at any time, and who could be endangered by someone doing stunts.

Your own property (for most) would be a different matter. There is no implied open public access to it. However, if in doing your stunts you do so too close to others on that property and in a way that could potentially endanger them, you could still find the cops looking at you with an eye to dangerous driving.

As to donuts in a private parking lot, look this one up.
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Spot on buddy, that's logical reasoning and good supporting video. Am I the only one who thinks GTA needs a proper bike and car track close by to give people a controlled and safe venue to stunt or race? I've often wondered if it would help reduce the HTA and Criminal Code violations.

Legally we're all obligated to stay within the confines of the law. However sometimes it feels as though the government is like a parent that puts up too many fences and not enough gates.
 
sundancekid said:
Spot on buddy, that's logical reasoning and good supporting video. Am I the only one who thinks GTA needs a proper bike and car track close by to give people a controlled and safe venue to stunt or race? I've often wondered if it would help reduce the HTA and Criminal Code violations.

Legally we're all obligated to stay within the confines of the law. However sometimes it feels as though the government is like a parent that puts up too many fences and not enough gates.
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could be a good business idea sundance.. get cracking lol
 
sundancekid said:
Spot on buddy, that's logical reasoning and good supporting video. Am I the only one who thinks GTA needs a proper bike and car track close by to give people a controlled and safe venue to stunt or race? I've often wondered if it would help reduce the HTA and Criminal Code violations.

Legally we're all obligated to stay within the confines of the law. However sometimes it feels as though the government is like a parent that puts up too many fences and not enough gates.
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Mosport
Shannonville
Toronto Motorsports Park
Grand Bend Raceway
Calabogie
Plus at least a half dozen dragstrips, a dozen dirt ovals, a dozen paved ovals, and maybe a dozen or two motocross tracks.

Plenty of places to go for those who want to go fast and test themselves, car or bike.
 
turbodish said:
Mosport
Shannonville
Toronto Motorsports Park
Grand Bend Raceway
Calabogie
Plus at least a half dozen dragstrips, a dozen dirt ovals, a dozen paved ovals, and maybe a dozen or two motocross tracks.

Plenty of places to go for those who want to go fast and test themselves, car or bike.
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You get the pleasure of the ride AND the destination.
 
just_luc said:
could be a good business idea sundance.. get cracking lol
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I'm all over it! as soon as I win the lotto! :) I think it really could work with the government's support. But the problem is the initial economics. Any land zoned for commercial or residential use will be more lucrative from a tax perspective, so I don't think they'll go for it. But if they had a track in Mississauga or Downsview it could work.

turbodish said:
Mosport
Shannonville
Toronto Motorsports Park
Grand Bend Raceway
Calabogie
Plus at least a half dozen dragstrips, a dozen dirt ovals, a dozen paved ovals, and maybe a dozen or two motocross tracks.

Plenty of places to go for those who want to go fast and test themselves, car or bike.
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I looked up all of those locations and there are two primary problems with them. Many of them are inaccessible due to financial constraints (Mosport was $3K plus for a day) and or the drive is rather far. Not that it's an excuse to resort to the road vs. the track but people are lazy and a far drive won't entice people to make the effort to use a track that is expensive and a far drive, esp. with the present fuel prices.
 
sundancekid said:
I'm all over it! as soon as I win the lotto! :) I think it really could work with the government's support. But the problem is the initial economics. Any land zoned for commercial or residential use will be more lucrative from a tax perspective, so I don't think they'll go for it. But if they had a track in Mississauga or Downsview it could work.

I looked up all of those locations and there are two primary problems with them. Many of them are inaccessible due to financial constraints (Mosport was $3K plus for a day) and or the drive is rather far. Not that it's an excuse to resort to the road vs. the track but people are lazy and a far drive won't entice people to make the effort to use a track that is expensive and a far drive, esp. with the present fuel prices.
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But they exist and ARE used, by various car and motorcycle clubs.

As to "winning the lotto" you could take home an entire $35M Lotto Max prize, and still go broke by building a track within the GTA. That's if you could get the noise and zoning variances, in the first place. There's a reason why tracks are generally an hour+ outside of the GTA.
 
Rob MacLennan said:
But they exist and ARE used, by various car and motorcycle clubs.

As to "winning the lotto" you could take home an entire $35M Lotto Max prize, and still go broke by building a track within the GTA. That's if you could get the noise and zoning variances, in the first place. There's a reason why tracks are generally an hour+ outside of the GTA.
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Yeah but you gotta admit, if there was a track at like 427 and 401 youd go a lot more often than you do now... Or maybe not, but I know i would. If there was a track within a 20 minute ride of me, id be there probably every single day...
 
bobjohnson said:
Yeah but you gotta admit, if there was a track at like 427 and 401 youd go a lot more often than you do now... Or maybe not, but I know i would. If there was a track within a 20 minute ride of me, id be there probably every single day...
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At probably $250.00+ per session? I doubt that.
 
"Plus at least a half dozen dragstrips"
I would like to know where the half dozen drags strips are ?
 
OK. What if its your property? You have the permission but are you still in violation? That's what I don't get. If you can get charged in a lot you DONT have permission to be there I see. However the criminal charge won't apply if its your lot?

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Venom01 said:
OK. What if its your property? You have the permission but are you still in violation? That's what I don't get. If you can get charged in a lot you DONT have permission to be there I see. However the criminal charge won't apply if its your lot?

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You could still be charged for Dangerous Operation, even on your own property. Noise bylaws apply. If more people than just you are involved, then are you holding an unlicensed, uninsured racing event? I would tend to think so.
 
sundancekid said:
I looked up all of those locations and there are two primary problems with them. Many of them are inaccessible due to financial constraints (Mosport was $3K plus for a day) and or the drive is rather far. Not that it's an excuse to resort to the road vs. the track but people are lazy and a far drive won't entice people to make the effort to use a track that is expensive and a far drive, esp. with the present fuel prices.
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This site, and almost every other motorcycle related site have dedicated sections for this(search for "TRACKDAYS")

The people that race on the streets would not show up at a track built at yonge/eglington and entry was $5 so location is a moot point.

the track at Cayuga(TMP) is 30min from Hamilton, but the same parking lot idiots in the Hamilton Area still complain about being hassled by the cops and having no where to ride,, "THE WAY WE WANNA RIDE"
 
Rob MacLennan said:
You could still be charged for Dangerous Operation, even on your own property. Noise bylaws apply. If more people than just you are involved, then are you holding an unlicensed, uninsured racing event? I would tend to think so.
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Ive ridden at my friends motorcross track in his backyard......is that different?
 
People need to realize police can charge you with just about anything anywhere, and just getting charged is loosing IMO. Take for example my last 4 charges, No LIC, No INS, Racing, and No plate.....I was on my property off the bike when the cop pulled up, I denied being the person he was after. I still got charged with all 4, and even thou my lawyer had them all tossed out in court recently. It cost me $2200 for his services...

Now being HTA I could have fought them myself, but you guys are talking about Dangerious Operataion, its criminal code and you will need a lawyer. So just getting a charge, BS or not is a hassle...

Also being a convicted dangerious driver myself, I can tell you it sucks...It was almost 5 years since my conviction for doing a wheelie on the street, and every time I deal with police I find myself explaning that stain on my record...Do you think I get any breaks anymore? Not a chance, once you have a stain like this, there is no "Im letting you off with a warning".....Laywers are my only friends....

Warehouse parking lots that are not very busy and kind of hidden away are a much better idea, mall parking lots isnt a smart place to start practicing your wheelies. You will have a much higher chance of getting some kind of charge in a public parking lot like that...

And then above all it comes down to what kind of cop you end up dealing with, we practice wheelies at the same spot for almost 3 years now....Some cops come just to watch and give us credit for keeping it there and off the street, yet we still have the oddball cop stumble upon us every once in a while trying to threaten us with charges...
 
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Rob MacLennan said:
You could still be charged for Dangerous Operation, even on your own property. Noise bylaws apply. If more people than just you are involved, then are you holding an unlicensed, uninsured racing event? I would tend to think so.
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murf said:
Ive ridden at my friends motorcross track in his backyard......is that different?
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when it comes to private property the law still applys, but its a lot less likely to be s problem.. if your goofing of in a public space, your likely just to have cops roll up.. if your doing the same in a discreet portion of your own property.. you likely wont have any trouble unless someone files a complaint, or someone gets seriously hurt.
 
JohnnyP636 said:
People need to realize police can charge you with just about anything anywhere, and just getting charged is loosing IMO. Take for example my last 4 charges, No LIC, No INS, Racing, and No plate.....I was on my property off the bike when the cop pulled up, I denied being the person he was after. I still got charged with all 4, and even thou my lawyer had them all tossed out in court recently. It cost me $2200 for his services...

Now being HTA I could have fought them myself, but you guys are talking about Dangerious Operataion, its criminal code and you will need a lawyer. So just getting a charge, BS or not is a hassle...

Also being a convicted dangerious driver myself, I can tell you it sucks...It was almost 5 years since my conviction for doing a wheelie on the street, and every time I deal with police I find myself explaning that stain on my record...Do you think I get any breaks anymore? Not a chance, once you have a stain like this, there is no "Im letting you off with a warning".....Laywers are my only friends....
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Thank you for depressing me this morning.
 
just_luc said:
when it comes to private property the law still applys, but its a lot less likely to be s problem.. if your goofing of in a public space, your likely just to have cops roll up.. if your doing the same in a discreet portion of your own property.. you likely wont have any trouble unless someone files a complaint, or someone gets seriously hurt.
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... but your neighbours might use Bylaw Enforcement to make your life a living hell. I probably would, if I suddenly found myself camped next to a motocross track.
 
Rob MacLennan said:
... but your neighbours might use Bylaw Enforcement to make your life a living hell. I probably would, if I suddenly found myself camped next to a motocross track.
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my point exactly, if your neighbours file a complaint, you be subject to the laws in your area..

the question earlier in the thread was "what if i have 10 acres of property" if your in a rural area, and have that much land, chances are you can find somewhere to play without bothering anyone.. but yes, if its a nuisance and someone complains, the law is the law.
 
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