I just spit my coffee when I saw this.
Poll: When will Israel attack Iran?
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I just spit my coffee when I saw this.
I really don't want to wade into this debate too far. It's all really ****ed up, and I am by no means in the know when it comes to international affairs, military conflict, or middle-east politics. Other than being born of a Jewish father, and having to live with whatever the fallout of this mess will be, I have no stake in this.
I would, however, like to recommend a documentary called State 194 that I just saw at TIFF. It follows Prime Minister Fayyad of the Palestinian territories as he attempts to build the foundations for a Palestinian state. The film is a look at Palestine's mission to become the 194th state in the UN. It's fascinating, and PM Fayyad is an incredible man doing incredible things for his people. He's what all politicians should be, IMO.
While the film has yet to find a distributor, keep the title in mind and watch for it. Well worth the 90mins. While it's very one-sided (two-state solution, 1967 borders, largely anti-Bibi), it sure as **** opened my eyes and showed that there are a ton of people, particularly young people, both Israelis and Palestinians wanting peace and civility in the region. Thankfully, I got a chance to meet with the director (Dan Setton), an Israeli, as well as a few prominent moderates from the region (both sides) and discuss some of the arguments posed by the Israeli gov't and radicals on both sides of the fence (wall?).
More info here: http://www.takepart.com/state194
I would, however, like to recommend a documentary called State 194 that I just saw at TIFF. It follows Prime Minister Fayyad of the Palestinian territories as he attempts to build the foundations for a Palestinian state. The film is a look at Palestine's mission to become the 194th state in the UN. It's fascinating, and PM Fayyad is an incredible man doing incredible things for his people. He's what all politicians should be, IMO.
While the film has yet to find a distributor, keep the title in mind and watch for it. Well worth the 90mins. While it's very one-sided (two-state solution, 1967 borders, largely anti-Bibi), it sure as **** opened my eyes and showed that there are a ton of people, particularly young people, both Israelis and Palestinians wanting peace and civility in the region. Thankfully, I got a chance to meet with the director (Dan Setton), an Israeli, as well as a few prominent moderates from the region (both sides) and discuss some of the arguments posed by the Israeli gov't and radicals on both sides of the fence (wall?).
More info here: http://www.takepart.com/state194
Thanks, will look for that.
But yeah, there are a thousand times more moderates than extremists, but whenever some nutcases on one side go and make a movie insulting the other side, then the nutcases on the other side go and kill their foreign diplomat, the rest of us are all left to pick up the pieces. If it weren't for the bunch of Israeli 'settlers' one the one side, and the bunch of jihadists on the other side, there would be no Middle East conflict.
Yeah, but it's IsraelThey suffered the Holocaust
Hey, China suffered from the Imperial Japanese and wasn't offered a formal apology. Germany has offered an apology plus tax breaks for jews.
But back on topic, there are some Israelis who oppose the occupation. There are even some political parties that are in the interest of working for a peaceful solution, but they seem to be not elected.
[video=youtube;4y-_Ix2T3es]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4y-_Ix2T3es[/video]
Is also u mentioned that. There are also extremist Palestinians who want to wipe out Israel. There was an assassination of a Palestinian leader who was working for peace, the extremist did not want that.
If you're bored, read the book "Palestinian Peace not apartheid" written by a former US president. It will give u a 2nd perspective from what u get from the media.
http://books.google.ca/books/about/Palestine_Peace_Not_Apartheid.html?id=A0nDKgAACAAJ&redir_esc=y
I not using that book anyway, if u want u can PM me
I had not put much thought into this but this thread got me thinking. Most of the countries that would join Iran against Israel (that would have an impact) are in a state of internal turmoil (Libya, Egypt, Syria). Now that could mean the timing is about as good as it could get OR there is a conspiracy afoot...
The stage is being set...
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/11/14/israel-hamas-airstrike-.html
Watch from 9:45 http://www.cbc.ca/player/Shows/ID/2304703186/
Sorry for the lack of Elmo content.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/11/14/israel-hamas-airstrike-.html
Watch from 9:45 http://www.cbc.ca/player/Shows/ID/2304703186/
Sorry for the lack of Elmo content.
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Hmmm...how do we know that was not just any random car they just bombed??? Seems like another fake Osama death making us believe they are doing something good.
Why are we getting all the latest news from just the Israeli Ambassador? How can anyone trust these Israeli scumbags?
Why are we getting all the latest news from just the Israeli Ambassador? How can anyone trust these Israeli scumbags?
I don't think anything over Palestine will prompt an international response. Nobody really gives a flying **** about it. It might eventually be used as a pretext, but it's not a necessity. The media can always come up with imaginary mass graves or WMD's to justify military action. Israel will keep reconquering the territory that they "gave up", the Palestinians will keep protesting and launching their rockets, Israel will keep bombing the area in retaliation, it's been happening for decades. Until Israel gets a non-fascist government willing to respect treaties or they do a full-out ethnic cleansing, either or will do, there won't be any peace in the region.
Well this is gonna throw a wrench in the machinations of war.
[video=youtube_share;6Lp-NMaU0r8]http://youtu.be/6Lp-NMaU0r8[/video]
[video=youtube_share;6Lp-NMaU0r8]http://youtu.be/6Lp-NMaU0r8[/video]
