I dont care if the guy drinks,does drugs,he is trying to do what the people want,subways not street cars,privatize garbage collection,good work IMO.
Poll: vote for Ford, yes/no
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I can understand the "local Toronto media are out to get Ford" argument/perception, but when national and world wide media consider his behaviour news worthy (in a bizarre way), when does it stop being a local conspiracy and become a common global perception that Rob Ford is a sideshow? How brainwashed is Ford Nation?
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But, but, the guy admitted to smoking crack and it's proven that he associated with criminals. For me, that's enough to say: Ford is not fit to hold elected office.
My question, which I asked very early on in this discussion, is: If this isn't enough, what WOULD it take for Ford Nation to reject Ford? Surely their support is not unconditional. That would be irrational, wouldn't it?
Is it true, as Doug said, that Rob could commit murder on the steps of city hall and Ford Nation would still elect him? Isn't that irrational?
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I wouldn't vote for him if he became a Provincial Liberal supporter. Why do people keep voting THEM in? Nobody likes the crack scandal, association with criminals, etc, BUT he still resonates with real people. He'll win again; that's not necessarily my wish, just a prediction. I'd prefer Tory any day, but if that's not on the table, I'd vote for Ford.
But why? The upside is that he saves you (maybe) $100 in tax per year, which another mayor may spend more than Ford (and maybe even waste some of), at the expense of having a laughingstock as mayor and restricted municipal services and infrastructure maintainance and expansion. Is $100 all it takes to buy away your social ethics/responsibilities? Are you that self-centered/self-serving?
When there is a better alternative, people will give up on him. We all recognize that other politicians are worse, they just haven't got caught
To me that is logical
I think if everyone knew all the secrets their friends, colleagues (thank god for spellcheck...) workmates and superiors kept from them, they would be shocked.
I know a few people who are recreational drug users, but if you asked their customers / workmates what kind of guy he is, they would say "straight as an arrow"
A friend of a friend that i met a few times, seemed like a total nerdy, hardworking chap, worked at head office of a major bank in Toronto, even trained employees, turns out the guy was addicted to crack for 2 years before he sought some help, and no one noticed a thing. I certainly wouldn't have guessed it.
When i owned a bar, i had private functions where i rented it out to lawyers, cops, all types, you wouldn't believe the things i saw if i told you.
A drug dealer showed up and the lawyers lined up to buy cocaine from him like school kids, until i intervened and threw his *** out the door.
Is a person addicted to legal prescription drugs better than a guy who smokes crack at a party once a month?
What about alcoholics who drive a bit drunk after happy hour, even though they may be under the legal limit, then go home and drink until they pass out, go to work the next day, and repeat the whole process? Why is that guy acceptable, but not some dude that smokes a joint of weed?
There's a lot of people living in a bubble, just because they haven't witnessed or experienced much in life, they assume everything they don't do, is unacceptable.
Kinda like those hardcore religious types, they are right and everyone else is wrong. Closed minds = Ignorance.
I know a few people who are recreational drug users, but if you asked their customers / workmates what kind of guy he is, they would say "straight as an arrow"
A friend of a friend that i met a few times, seemed like a total nerdy, hardworking chap, worked at head office of a major bank in Toronto, even trained employees, turns out the guy was addicted to crack for 2 years before he sought some help, and no one noticed a thing. I certainly wouldn't have guessed it.
When i owned a bar, i had private functions where i rented it out to lawyers, cops, all types, you wouldn't believe the things i saw if i told you.
A drug dealer showed up and the lawyers lined up to buy cocaine from him like school kids, until i intervened and threw his *** out the door.
Is a person addicted to legal prescription drugs better than a guy who smokes crack at a party once a month?
What about alcoholics who drive a bit drunk after happy hour, even though they may be under the legal limit, then go home and drink until they pass out, go to work the next day, and repeat the whole process? Why is that guy acceptable, but not some dude that smokes a joint of weed?
There's a lot of people living in a bubble, just because they haven't witnessed or experienced much in life, they assume everything they don't do, is unacceptable.
Kinda like those hardcore religious types, they are right and everyone else is wrong. Closed minds = Ignorance.
Self-centered / self serving would be getting on a motorcycle forum and trying to belittle and indoctrinate people that think differently than you. If you are simplistic enough to trivialize the issue into "100$" tax a year then there is little reason to discuss it with you. Carry on
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They are not rejecting him. They are rejecting "YOU". They are just "accepting" of him to reject you.
Man, I keep trying to explain this to you in so many ways.
They see the LIBERALS as BIG SPENDERS and out of control.
Exactly!
Had a friend who after high school became a coke dealer. The things he told me most people wouldn't believe. Some of his customers included some of our high school teachers, grade school teachers, lawyers, doctors.
One of his best hookups for drugs was a cop.
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It's a public office job so, you have to live with the fact your life is under public scrutiny. You don't clock in and clock out. It Ford had just taken some leadership, manned up when things first broke out, entered a rehab, he'd come out looking stronger than ever. Humans are flawed but, good leadership is how you govern yourself as well as the job.
I'm sorry but, I've partied a lot and can manage to get pretty drunk at times and never once have I gotten to the point where I would try something like crack and not remember. Maybe he isn't a drug addict but, if you drink to the point you start to experiment with hard core drugs, I'd say you have a problem with the bottle at the least.
If I was a Toronto resident, I couldn't vote for him because he lies and denies until he's cornered. It's so easy to get in front of things like this, take ownership of it, take the proper steps to deal with it and then move on. It's sad because he probably is one of the fiscally responsible guys in office.
I'm sorry but, I've partied a lot and can manage to get pretty drunk at times and never once have I gotten to the point where I would try something like crack and not remember. Maybe he isn't a drug addict but, if you drink to the point you start to experiment with hard core drugs, I'd say you have a problem with the bottle at the least.
If I was a Toronto resident, I couldn't vote for him because he lies and denies until he's cornered. It's so easy to get in front of things like this, take ownership of it, take the proper steps to deal with it and then move on. It's sad because he probably is one of the fiscally responsible guys in office.
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Happycrappy and -D-, (and others) thanks for your responses. Romper Room is an off topic discussion section of a motorcycle forum where people can discuss/debate issues of interest. That's what's happening here. I'm explaining how I feel and others are doing the same. By challenging views contrary to mine, I'm giving the opportunity for those to explain their thinking. It's interesting to me to hear the rationale from the other side of this issue.
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A couple of things.
How many people voted in the last election?
How many people did it take to rescind that vote?
Democracy in action?
How much scrutiny has he been in compared to others?
What would we find if all of the council were under the same scrutiny?
When I was a High school kid I went to a house party where they were serving alcohol to minors, eventually that person went on to become a Councillor and eventually retire.
There was a large group of people who didn't want Ford in and have been doing everything they can to get him out. They don't seem to apply an equal zeal to others. Should they get more say than the rest of us?
The only alternative right now, is to turn Schneller's hundred dollars of extra cost, per man/woman/child/dog/cat/bird/rabbit/lizard/ferret into thousands, and most of the citizens can't afford that.
How many people voted in the last election?
How many people did it take to rescind that vote?
Democracy in action?
How much scrutiny has he been in compared to others?
What would we find if all of the council were under the same scrutiny?
When I was a High school kid I went to a house party where they were serving alcohol to minors, eventually that person went on to become a Councillor and eventually retire.
There was a large group of people who didn't want Ford in and have been doing everything they can to get him out. They don't seem to apply an equal zeal to others. Should they get more say than the rest of us?
The only alternative right now, is to turn Schneller's hundred dollars of extra cost, per man/woman/child/dog/cat/bird/rabbit/lizard/ferret into thousands, and most of the citizens can't afford that.
But using Ford math Miller saved twice as much as ford. Does that mean he was twice as responsible with cash maybe he should be brought back to stop the Ford reckless spending?
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...have_been_outsaved_by_david_miller_james.html
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...have_been_outsaved_by_david_miller_james.html
Would you let him babysit your children?
