Please sign my petition to allow straight pipes in Ontario for rider safety

[Emefef]

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In response to your comment, it's because motorists don't hear horns and by the time they realize you're there, it may be too late.

How about a louder horn? In your petition you suggest that you would blip the throttle to be heard. Using one (or two, because you would have to) of the vehicle's primary controls for the purpose of making noise is ill-conceived.

....for anyone to argue skill and safety wear will save you in a situation where a motorist doesn't see or hear you is very short-sighted and does not reflect the experience of a seasoned rider who has been cut off or even involved in an accident.

This isn't helping your cause. You continue to presume that the people disagreeing with you are less experienced, less seasoned, or otherwise qualified to form an opinion. Many of the people replying to your comments are actual experts in riding, rider training, and motorcycle safety. You are an expert in a different field, and you happen to have experience riding. Stop treating your opposition as if they are clueless - you could learn something.

With my petition, I'm trying to push for additional safety for riders so that they don't go down and get hurt. Not promote blasting your pipes through a residential area but as an additional safety/warning device to alert other motorists.

It sounds noble, but it's unproven, and you can't have it both ways. Loud is loud. I'm particularly interested in how this push provides "additional safety so that they don't go down..." [emphasis added]. Furthermore, as someone posted earlier, if it is safer how can we deny other road users the same right? As the operator of a small car, I want something louder than the trucks on the road so that I can be seen by them.

I've also noticed blitzes going on nailing riders for pipes by fining riders or even pulling plates, if they find a few violations. Please note ~ it's not just Harley riders they're pulling over ~ it's also sportbikes with racing exhausts. It's gotten to the point where you can't ride in areas without the concern that you are going to be hassled. It's ridiculous.

No it's not ridiculous. What is ridiculous is the argument that riders will be safer on the road by offending other road users and the people that live in those neighbourhoods with unreasonable noise.

In Quebec, there are areas where motorcycles have literally been banned. This is ridiculous considering we are on the road a few months out of the year.

It's also ridiculous that anyone should believe they get extra rights or privileges because they choose a vehicle that is weather dependent. You choose to ride, why should the rights of others be compromised because you don't get a lot of time to do it? Most of the people on this board would be happy to be considered equal - we don't need an advocate to fight for something we don't actually believe in.

So may I ask everyone - who is looking out for your rights on the road? I started my petition to voice my concern for my fellow riders because it doesn't seem as though anyone else is standing up for our rights.

Spend some time reading some of the other threads on this forum. Look in the section about laws and regulation. You'll see dozens of examples of people standing up for their, and our collective rights. What you seem to missing, even though it's quite apparent by the responses to your posts, is that the right to make more noise than everyone else on the road isn't necessarily one we believe in.

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[fastar1]

In response to your comment, it's because motorists don't hear horns and by the time they realize you're there, it may be too late. I wouldn't trust my safety solely on a motorist hearing my horn. No way. Our season is only a few months out of the year, not like in warmer climates. Motorists aren't used to us being on the road and for anyone to argue skill and safety wear will save you in a situation where a motorist doesn't see or hear you is very short-sighted and does not reflect the experience of a seasoned rider who has been cut off or even involved in an accident. With my petition, I'm trying to push for additional safety for riders so that they don't go down and get hurt. Not promote blasting your pipes through a residential area but as an additional safety/warning device to alert other motorists.

I've also noticed blitzes going on nailing riders for pipes by fining riders or even pulling plates, if they find a few violations. Please note ~ it's not just Harley riders they're pulling over ~ it's also sportbikes with racing exhausts. It's gotten to the point where you can't ride in areas without the concern that you are going to be hassled. It's ridiculous. In Quebec, there are areas where motorcycles have literally been banned. This is ridiculous considering we are on the road a few months out of the year. So may I ask everyone - who is looking out for your rights on the road? I started my petition to voice my concern for my fellow riders because it doesn't seem as though anyone else is standing up for our rights.

If you agree, please sign my petition and show your support to amend the pipe law in Ontario:

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/allow-straight-pipes/

That's not a response to anyone, you're just repeating what you said already.
Altogether we have pointed out several times the flaws in your rationale regarding horns, noise, safety, rights, avoidance, everything. Stop repeating your nonsense and either engage in the discussion or admit your flawed argument.

 

[djez]

Please don't make this an argument against HD/ cruisers and Sport-bikes. Both bikes with loud pipes are obnoxious and in my experience SS was worse.

I believe you can have aftermarket pipes and still not be obnoxious but its often not the case specially with the riders today compensating for whats missing in between their legs or head.

It sucks if your a responsible, respectable rider who enjoy aftermarket pipes and not obnoxious, and everyone ruins it for you. Same sentiment that i have a clean record but pay too much for bike insurance.

I still don't 100% believe that loud pipes saves life. Let's say it do save life, it also annoy people who will then fight for their right to enjoy a peaceful sunday afternoon.

 

[stevex]

I'd argue that cruisers with straight pipes are worse than crock rockets with obnoxious mufflers as GENERALLY (!) you have to be above 8000 RPMs for your crotch rocket to start getting insanely loud depending on the exhaust.... Even at idle straight pipes on a cruiser are crazy... A lot of it probably boils down to what kind of noise you find "pleasing" to the ear... For me, it doesn't matter what bike it is, if you're ahead of me with ridiculously loud exhaust, I'm not putting up with it for long

The OP's argument is laughable and a ridiculous smokescreen for the selfishness of imposing what they deem pleasing to the ear onto everyone else.

 

[Supersquid]

I ain't reading all this but just my 0.02$, was riding my friends Harley that's straight piped doing about 50kmh and was passing a guy in a civic with an open window, the second I'm level with him, while accelerating he darts over and clips the highway peg and sent me into other lane, I thought loud pipes might have some truth to it but now I'm convinced it makes no difference at all

 

[Supersquid]

Now start a lane splitting petition though and il give up my left nut to sign

 

[Sunspark]

I ain't reading all this but just my 0.02$, was riding my friends Harley that's straight piped doing about 50kmh and was passing a guy in a civic with an open window, the second I'm level with him, while accelerating he darts over and clips the highway peg and sent me into other lane, I thought loud pipes might have some truth to it but now I'm convinced it makes no difference at all

Actually, what happened there was he was enjoying a nice day and wanted you behind him so he wouldn't have to listen to it and didn't really care if anything untoward occurred because you were "that guy", with the pegs and all.

 

[kiwi]

not according to the last dozen of those *** clowns I came up behind going 65 in an 80.

I've seen a bunch of wild Hogs doing this too with a line of cars backed up behind them as they were spread so wide out to overtake.





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[kiwi]

In My opinion straight pipers are a bunch of wannabes. Just about ALL OF THEM are wankers who rev engines at lights and have no consideration of other people.

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[Acadian1974]

... for anyone to argue skill and safety wear will save you in a situation where a motorist doesn't see or hear you is very short-sighted and does not reflect the experience of a seasoned rider who has been cut off or even involved in an accident.

But it certainly reflects the plethora of research, testing and applied knowledge gleaned over the past 40+ years of data gathering. So, in reality, it's your experience that's flawed. But please, impress us with something other than your rhetoric. As has been noted by several other posters in this thread, what you are proposing is not about safety at all, it's about your frustration over "the man" telling you what pipes you can run on your bike.

Some bathroom reading:
http://www.maids-study.eu/
http://www.nhtsa.gov/people/injury/pedbimot/motorcycle/00-nht-212-motorcycle/research9-11.html
http://www.bikesafer.com/hurt.html

 

[dirtbag]

From one of my favorite mc parts stores -

http://www.pjsparts.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=60&products_id=485

I own this shirt.

To quote the off road boys "More sound equals less ground, Noise annoys, Loud Sucks"

Seriously Chopgal you'd be better off installing the a steble horn as was suggested earlier. I mounted one on my wing and it's great for waking people up.

 

[klr_guy]

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