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Please sign my petition to allow straight pipes in Ontario for rider safety

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choppergirl said:
Ask a rider with factory pipes or even straight pipes how many close calls they've had because drivers not only don't see them but don't hear them.
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They have a help line for that, it's 1-800-Bull-Sh*t

choppergirl said:
support this endeavor and sign this petition to support legalizing straight pipes in Ontario...
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No.

choppergirl said:
I am looking for a goal of 100,000 signatures.
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I have a better chance of reversing my male pattern baldness with prayer and popsicles.
 
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I read the other day that Burlington was doing a blitz this week to nail motorcycle riders with loud pipes. And by the way, loud pipes come on all style of bikes, not only Harleys or likeness thereof.

There are community groups are getting together to ban the noise around the GTA but where are the rider's representation? If you own one of these bikes, you know how much money it costs to change it out to after market pipes. Eventually, you won't be able to ride anywhere in the GTA without facing tickets or the cost of changing your pipes because of these groups who are out lobbying against us but don't realize they are taking away our rights to protect ourselves.

I went online to see if there are any motorcycle lobbyist groups and haven't found one yet. I posted my petition on GTA Motorcycle, a forum for riders, and can't believe the negativity I received on my cause. This leads me to believe that non-riders are posting, part-part time riders are posting or new, inexperienced riders are posting. Someone even told me to shove my pipes up my *ss. Only if I can return the favor ;)

I realized that in this province, when you bring forth a valid point or injustice to light and speak up, you really get the conformists and critics out in full force who regurgitate what they've heard someone else say and jump on that bandwagon against you....dont' rock the boat...shut up...I see it all over online. We have become a complacent society and guess what? If you don't stand firm on a point, you can't complain later when your rights are stripped away.

I'll stand strong on this matter over being under the wheels of a car. Please sign my petition and lets stand together to revise pipe laws to make them fair and help save our lives.
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Petulant child. What if you were 100% wrong on this topic, what would be your first clue?
 
choppergirl said:
I've been riding on the roadways since 1984. Time after time, loud pipes have saved me from near fatal collisions from oblivious drivers both on my sport and cruiser bikes. Factory horns are not loud enough to hear in a car, especially with music turned up, distracted drivers texting or talking on their cell phones, hearing impaired drivers or inexperienced drivers. It lacks common sense for lawmakers to determine that a horn will get a drivers attention over loud pipes. Considering the bodily harm caused to riders over drivers in a collision, this law is not only ridiculous but works against the best interests of motorcyclists. A loud crack from a straight/drag pipe immediately gets a driver's attention and acts as a back up safety precaution for motorcyclists. Ask a rider with factory pipes or even straight pipes how many close calls they've had because drivers not only don't see them but don't hear them.

Please support this endeavor and sign this petition to support legalizing straight pipes in Ontario to prevent motorcycle fatalities and protect the lives of all motorcyclists on the road. I am looking for a goal of 100,000 signatures and hope to set a precedent in Ontario that will be a basis to change laws all over Canada and the US. Your support is appreciated.

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/allow-straight-pipes/
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Getting people to sign a petition for straight pipes is kinda like getting people to sign a petition for the right to dump toxic waste into Lake Ontario. You might find some support among toxic waste producers or similarly, guys hanging out at the HD dealership with straight pipes, but I wouldn't expect much support from the general public.

1) you can't hear a loud exhaust if you are in a car or on another bike until the bike it is attached to, passes you
2) loud exhausts interrupt conversations and are just plain annoying to 99 percent of people. They also give all motorcyclists a bad rap among non riders.
3) The intended purpose of a free flow exhaust is to gain a few extra HP or help compensate for a personal inadequacy or occasionally both
4) horns work much better to alert other drivers to your presence, so does high vis gear. Hi Vis gear has been proven in several studies to reduce car/motorcycle collisions by ~30 percent while loud pipes were found to have no effect on safety. Paradoxically I never seem to see these "safety conscious" riders with deafeningly loud pipes in Hi Vis gear, or usually any gear at all, most consider a beany helmet sufficient.
5) if you have straight pipes you have to wear ear plugs unless you are already deaf. If you are wearing ear plugs and have straight pipes you're not going to be able to hear emergency vehicle sirens, horns or cars coming up beside you.
6) if loud pipes really saved lives the roads would be littered with crashed Gold Wings.

http://www.twistedthrottle.com/steb...cycle-air-horn-12-volt-139-db-black-or-chrome
 
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ThunderPants said:
5) if you have straight pipes you have to wear ear plugs unless you are already deaf. If you are wearing ear plugs and have straight pipes you're not going to be able to hear emergency vehicle sirens, horns or cars coming up beside you.
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You should be wearing ear plugs at all times on a bike if you value your hearing. Or have the world's quietest exhaust and most aerodynamic and insulated helmet, ever. Otherwise I agree with everything you said.
 
fastar1 said:
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Petulant child. What if you were 100% wrong on this topic, what would be your first clue?
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Where was that rubbish posted?
I'm thinking attention troll? Her reasons for this petition are utterly ridiculous.


Sent from my commodore 64 on dial up
 
fastar1 said:
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Interesting. So because I disagree with her, I must be:
  • a non- rider
  • ill informed
  • or inexperienced

The fact that I am an experienced rider that is very well informed on the issue just cannot be processed by her brain, it seems. While at first I just found her position stupid, I'm now finding it offensive.
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fastar1 said:
That's on her petition site (linked)
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upon a google search, her twitter has one recent tweet. She must be all for the cause. Damn us non riders

Griffin said:
Interesting. So because I disagree with her, I must be:
  • a non- rider
  • ill informed
  • or inexperienced

The fact that I am an experienced rider that is very well informed on the issue just cannot be processed by her brain, it seems. While at first I just found her position stupid, I'm now finding it offensive.
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I think she's one of those tools who must have got nailed on her noise making sh!tbox and is now upset with the ticket.
 
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unL33T said:
You should be wearing ear plugs at all times on a bike if you value your hearing. Or have the world's quietest exhaust and most aerodynamic and insulated helmet, ever. Otherwise I agree with everything you said.
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I do wear these on the highway to avoid wind noise but prefer to not wear them for city riding so as to hear other things.
 
Roomie said:
Where was that rubbish posted?
I'm thinking attention troll? Her reasons for this petition are utterly ridiculous.


Sent from my commodore 64 on dial up
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I replied on that site:
"If the lack of obvious support didn't lead you to reconsider your position, then it's no surprise that you were shocked by the negativity on GTAM. I note that you dismiss all opposing arguments as coming from non-riders, part-time riders, or new inexperienced riders. Even if that were the case, with your logic about saving lives even this crowd would be more amenable to your position than the general public. If you can't win over that small group, how do expect to gain the support of enough people to effect change? Your claims have anecdotal support, if any. The hypocrisy demonstrated by the "loud pipes save lives" crowd by the choice of safety gear is louder than any straight pipes. As far as taking away your rights, I can understand your point - it's just backwards. The legislation is protecting my rights."
 
In response to your comment, it's because motorists don't hear horns and by the time they realize you're there, it may be too late. I wouldn't trust my safety solely on a motorist hearing my horn. No way. Our season is only a few months out of the year, not like in warmer climates. Motorists aren't used to us being on the road and for anyone to argue skill and safety wear will save you in a situation where a motorist doesn't see or hear you is very short-sighted and does not reflect the experience of a seasoned rider who has been cut off or even involved in an accident. With my petition, I'm trying to push for additional safety for riders so that they don't go down and get hurt. Not promote blasting your pipes through a residential area but as an additional safety/warning device to alert other motorists.

I've also noticed blitzes going on nailing riders for pipes by fining riders or even pulling plates, if they find a few violations. Please note ~ it's not just Harley riders they're pulling over ~ it's also sportbikes with racing exhausts. It's gotten to the point where you can't ride in areas without the concern that you are going to be hassled. It's ridiculous. In Quebec, there are areas where motorcycles have literally been banned. This is ridiculous considering we are on the road a few months out of the year. So may I ask everyone - who is looking out for your rights on the road? I started my petition to voice my concern for my fellow riders because it doesn't seem as though anyone else is standing up for our rights.

If you agree, please sign my petition and show your support to amend the pipe law in Ontario:

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/allow-straight-pipes/
 
I ride 10 months a year, and my stock exhaust bike is about as quiet as they get. Relying on exhaust sound at the tail of your bike as part of your defensive riding strategy, is misguided. I doubt loud pipes save lives, riding cruisers slow enough to have bugs hit the rear of your helmet, might be a factor though.
 
Do you know why there's places where bikes are "banned"?? Come to forks of the credit. Drap pipe harleys are 99% to blame for the new law there that gets us all hauled into the church parking lot and tested. Why?? Because the majority of all the goons riding them felt they had to make up for the lack of junk in their jeans and rev the crap out of it all the way through town and the locals got ****** off. Yes there are some crotch rockets with crazy exhaust or lack thereof and I hope they all get nailed too. My stock pipe wasn't exactly quiet if you wound it up but to drive through town like a human without trying to get everyone to notice me it was just fine.

Secondly, if you don't think proper gear helps you in any way in the event of an accident then you shouldn't be riding. Your little beanie lids and jeans and a sleeveless shirt aren't going to do ****. Additional safety is not obnoxious *** pipes. Additional safety would be more information made available, more people taking courses and learning how to ride in a proper manor. If you're driving even on the highway like you're supposed to be then there's no excuse for a motorist not to see you. It may happen anyways but there are many ways you can avoid it. Start with not riding in a cars blind spot and maybe some colored proper gear. :banghead:
 
Literally banned, really?
 
mikbusa said:
I ride 10 months a year, and my stock exhaust bike is about as quiet as they get. Relying on exhaust sound at the tail of your bike as part of your defensive riding strategy, is misguided. I doubt loud pipes save lives, riding cruisers slow enough to have bugs hit the rear of your helmet, might be a factor though.
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Nothing worse than being stuck behind a harley parade on ANY road :lmao:
 
So who actually signed it?

Though I did enjoyed the rebel days when I was on my younger days, blasting off all the car alarms inside parking lots, I don't think its a priority for any motorcyclists to petition for.

By the way, someone ask whether OP is hot or not??? Didn't she say she started riding since 1984??
 
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