Please Discuss

[PrivatePilot]

This Act should be used when there is an actual threat to the nation

If you worked in the logistics industy and fully understood how quickly border blockades could lead to serious problems for this country, you'd feel different.

What happened in Windsor was only the tip of the iceburg on what was planned at the time, and most of the people living here don't really grasp at how fast our society would be without a lot of the very things that people have become accustomed to as part of their cushy lifestyles if our borders were closed for 6 or 8 days.

In short, if the border blockades continued as the nonsnse happening unchecked in Ottawa emboldened others, yes, there would have been a very real threat to the nation within a period of time that would have caught many by surprise.

A large portion of our society thinks that everything they buy on a daily basis just falls out of the ceiling overnight at the big box stores, grocery stores, etc etc etc. Reality is a huge majority of what you and everyone else buys on a daily basis came across the border in a truck anywhere from days (groceries) to weeks (the overhwhelming majoirty of everything else) beforehand, and arrived at that grocery store hours to days before you bought it, and maybe 3-5 days before you bought it at many other stores.

Lets also remember that the a huge ******* portion of the trucking industry itself neither supported that childish nonsense, wanted anything at all to do with it, nor stopped working for even a moment while the few in Ottawa were having their crybaby convoy.

 

[Mad Mike]

Do you know what province Ottawa is in and policing is provincial nothing to do with federal government.

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Policing in Canada is not a hierarchy, the local police, in this case OPS is the law. No law enforcement service can step in and take over.

Policing also has nothing to do with the province, other than its responsibility to delegate who police’s what.

Bottom line is this is out of scope for both Ford and JT. It was an outright OPS failure, followed by a similar failure by the Feds.

There was no role in that circus for DF.

 

[Mad Mike]

The three levels of policing in Canada are Municipal/Region, Provincial, and Federal. When the municipal level failed the next "level up" is provincial as yes Ottawa is in Ontario and also under provincial jurisdiction (that's Dougie), and then when THAT failed it was time for the feds (everyone's buddy JT), as Ottawa is also in Canada..... I get people have JT hate and Dougie love and want things to be black and white but to think that the dug in ramranchers/karen convoy issues were just Ottawa's and the fed's problem and entirely skipped provincial jurisdiction is disingenuous or at least misinformed. Hell most of what they were "protesting" were provincial mandates with just some federal ones (and US ones oddly enough).

Ottawa may have some odd things like certain specific places in the area are under federal jurisdiction but for the most part that was used as an excuse by the first two levels that failed to clear these individuals from city streets.

I for one did enjoy the removal show regardless of what the court says. It was a job well done by many police forces (from across the country, with a special call out for the efforts of the Surete du Quebec--respect) working together but one that should have been done by the city THEN province much sooner. What they did in Toronto is a good example of what should have been done, feds not required.

Woah! That’s not how it works, too much US TV. In the US it’s like you say, they have local levels that are subordinate to state and federal agencies

Policing doesn’t work like that in Canada. Only under the condition of a local police force collapse would the province step in. Provincial govts only role in policing it one of delegation of policing authority.

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[FullMotoJacket]

6N is patrolled/speed enforced by both OPP and Hamilton Police. To add to the confusion, in the section between the 403 and the Escarpment. through Bridgeview Survey the southbound lanes are in Wentworth County and the northbound lanes are in Halton Region, so there's 3 police services involved in that portion.

 

[PrivatePilot]

Policing in Canada is not a hierarchy, the local police, in this case OPS is the law. No law enforcement service can step in and take over.

Although just showing up and "taking over" wouldn't happen, they can absolutely work concurrently or in conjunction with other forces. We don't have "jurisdictions".

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[TK4]

What happened in Windsor was only the tip of the iceburg on what was planned at the time, and most of the people living here don't really grasp at how fast our society would be without a lot of the very things that people have become accustomed to as part of their cushy lifestyles if our borders were closed for 6 or 8 days.

Look what happened when that container ship got stuck in the Suez Canal. One glitch in the system and the whole deal falls apart.

 

[WestBrantKid]

Invocation of Emergencies Act unreasonable, measures against Freedom Convoy unconstitutional: court

Federal Court found decision to declare emergency fell short of Emergencies Act requirements

www.canadianlawyermag.com

 

[WestBrantKid]

Something people are overlooking; there's a process that has to be followed. When someone is robbing a liquor store, do the police come in shooting? No, they say something like, "Stop. Put the weapon down!" They shoot as a last resort.

Same goes with protests and blockades. First, you SPEAK to them. See if it can be resolved peacefully.

Trudeau refused to speak to the protestors from the start. It's possible that nothing would have been resolved in talks, but if he can take a knee with non-peaceful BLM protestors, why would he refuse to do his job properly with freedom protestors? That's rhetorical, I don't need to hear the Trudeau lover's excuses, because that's all they are. Talks should have been the first step, and it was disregarded. A highly controversial declaration of the emergency act soon followed, then called off abruptly during a voting process when it was clear the senate was voting it down.

It's no surprise that the guy ignoring Canadian's rights, refusing to speak to peaceful protestors in an attempt for peaceful resolution, campaigns to slander the protestors by calling those men, women and children, of all races, colours and creeds, racists, misogynists and violent, then uses unnecessary violence against them. A real Canadian hero.

 

[PrivatePilot]

Something people are overlooking; there's a process that has to be followed. When someone is robbing a liquor store, do the police come in shooting? No, they say something like, "Stop. Put the weapon down!" They shoot as a last resort.

Same goes with protests and blockades. First, you SPEAK to them. See if it can be resolved peacefully.

Trudeau refused to speak to the protestors from the start. It's possible that nothing would have been resolved in talks, but if he can take a knee with non-peaceful BLM protestors, why would he refuse to do his job properly with freedom protestors? That's rhetorical, I don't need to hear the Trudeau lover's excuses, because that's all they are. Talks should have been the first step, and it was disregarded. A highly controversial declaration of the emergency act soon followed, then called off abruptly during a voting process when it was clear the senate was voting it down.

It's no surprise that the guy ignoring Canadian's rights, refusing to speak to peaceful protestors in an attempt for peaceful resolution, campaigns to slander the protestors by calling those men, women and children, of all races, colours and creeds, racists, misogynists and violent, then uses unnecessary violence against them. A real Canadian hero.

Perhaps you weren't exactly following what was going on in Ottawa but there was many threats against the PMs life and it was evident to most reasonable people that a decent percentage of the people there were completely unhinged. Even the organizers were high up on the whackadoodle scale, a few outliers being further out there yet, like "Queen Dildo" or whatever she calls herself.

Nothing good could have came of the p.m. just strolling over and engaging in conversation except for somebody attacking him resulting in a major security threat and likely gunfire leading to deaths.

The demands were ridiculous, many of the people were dangerous, and it would have changed exactly nothing in the end at best, and ended up extremely badly at worst.

 

[Scuba Steve]

Something people are overlooking; there's a process that has to be followed. When someone is robbing a liquor store, do the police come in shooting? No, they say something like, "Stop. Put the weapon down!" They shoot as a last resort.

Same goes with protests and blockades. First, you SPEAK to them. See if it can be resolved peacefully.

Trudeau refused to speak to the protestors from the start. It's possible that nothing would have been resolved in talks, but if he can take a knee with non-peaceful BLM protestors, why would he refuse to do his job properly with freedom protestors? That's rhetorical, I don't need to hear the Trudeau lover's excuses, because that's all they are. Talks should have been the first step, and it was disregarded. A highly controversial declaration of the emergency act soon followed, then called off abruptly during a voting process when it was clear the senate was voting it down.

It's no surprise that the guy ignoring Canadian's rights, refusing to speak to peaceful protestors in an attempt for peaceful resolution, campaigns to slander the protestors by calling those men, women and children, of all races, colours and creeds, racists, misogynists and violent, then uses unnecessary violence against them. A real Canadian hero.

Talking to them would have been a huge mistake you don't negotiate with terrorists if he talked to them the next group would have been in line to cause a blockade right after.

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[WestBrantKid]

Talking to them would have been a huge mistake you don't negotiate with terrorists if he talked to them the next group would have been in line to cause a blockade right after.

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Now they're terrorists! HAHAHAH!

 

[sburns]

Look what happened when that container ship got stuck in the Suez Canal. One glitch in the system and the whole deal falls apart.

Like what happened?
Maybe some stuff was delayed, I don't remember there being some widespread outages on anything.
If anything it was just people playing up the narrative "things will cost more" and this was another excuse.

 

[Mad Mike]

Although just showing up and "taking over" wouldn't happen, they can absolutely work concurrently or in conjunction with other forces. We don't have "jurisdictions".

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www.otdlegal.ca

That's true; the protocol relies on the suffering force to ask for help. Help and control are neither seized nor imposed.

In a simple example, the City of Toronto enforces some parts of traffic, like parking, TTC enforces their laws and bylaws, TPS does not intervene until they are asked to help.

This is exactly how things should have worked in Ottawa.

 

[WestBrantKid]

Perhaps you weren't exactly following what was going on in Ottawa but there was many threats against the PMs life and it was evident to most reasonable people that a decent percentage of the people there were completely unhinged. Even the organizers were high up on the whackadoodle scale, a few outliers being further out there yet, like "Queen Dildo" or whatever she calls herself.

Nothing good could have came of the p.m. just strolling over and engaging in conversation except for somebody attacking him resulting in a major security threat and likely gunfire leading to deaths.

The demands were ridiculous, many of the people were dangerous, and it would have changed exactly nothing in the end at best, and ended up extremely badly at worst.

I think you need to step away from the Turdeau-funded media for a little while. You think it's not possible to setup a table, let in spokesman for the protestors, frisk them, and have Trudeau's security handle all the legistics? What you just said is excuses and claims with no evidence.
The fact is that when open dialogue is on the table, the one that refuses to take part is always the one that does not have the argument to back up his actions. i.e. If you don't have evidence to back your claims, whether because you are lying or just haven't done your homework, you CAN'T talk without exposing yourself.

 

[crankcall]

I don’t think it would have made any difference if JT had sat down with the protesters. I feel they would have felt justified and vindicated. He doesn’t get a lot right in my view, but I’m onside with this one .


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[Mad Mike]

Perhaps you weren't exactly following what was going on in Ottawa but there was many threats against the PMs life and it was evident to most reasonable people that a decent percentage of the people there were completely unhinged. Even the organizers were high up on the whackadoodle scale, a few outliers being further out there yet, like "Queen Dildo" or whatever she calls herself.

Nothing good could have came of the p.m. just strolling over and engaging in conversation except for somebody attacking him resulting in a major security threat and likely gunfire leading to deaths.

The demands were ridiculous, many of the people were dangerous, and it would have changed exactly nothing in the end at best, and ended up extremely badly at worst.

I think you can simply call it an epic law enforcement failure. Had that been Toronto, the mayor and TPS would have managed that much better.

TPS is not perfect, sometimes heavy-handed with protestors, but they manage to keep Toronto relatively safe from protests and protestors. This would have been a cake-walk in Toronto.

 

[TK4]

I think you need to step away from the Turdeau-funded media for a little while. You think it's not possible to setup a table, let in spokesman for the protestors, frisk them, and have Trudeau's security handle all the legistics? What you just said is excuses and claims with no evidence.
The fact is that when open dialogue is on the table, the one that refuses to take part is always the one that does not have the argument to back up his actions. i.e. If you don't have evidence to back your claims, whether because you are lying or just haven't done your homework, you CAN'T talk without exposing yourself.

Like anything labeled 'Sun', Breibart or Rebel News ? They don't have any agenda, do they ?
JT funds the media - other than the CBC the federal gov supports no media that I know of ?
One does not negotiate or engage in open dialogue with people that are not protestors but simple sh*t disturbers.
There's plenty of evidence to suggest the ram ranchers didn't want to negotiate - they wanted the governor general to shut down parliament and take JT away in handcuffs while blowing their horns and playing in the bouncy castles.
Please, if I hear 'do your homework' one more time I'm going to scream.
FOR THE RECORD (again) I am no fan of JT but the ram ranchers could have come to town, made their point and left.
They chose not to, Ottawa Police, the OPP and RCMP chose to do nothing. What was left ?
If you lived in Ottawa or near one of the blockaded border crossings instead of Brantford you may have had a different perspective.
End of rant, as you were...

 

[TK4]

Like what happened?
Maybe some stuff was delayed, I don't remember there being some widespread outages on anything.
If anything it was just people playing up the narrative "things will cost more" and this was another excuse.

It was enough to get everyone's knickers in a knot.

 

[FullMotoJacket]

I think you need to step away from the Turdeau-funded media for a little while. You think it's not possible to setup a table, let in spokesman for the protestors, frisk them, and have Trudeau's security handle all the legistics? What you just said is excuses and claims with no evidence.
The fact is that when open dialogue is on the table, the one that refuses to take part is always the one that does not have the argument to back up his actions. i.e. If you don't have evidence to back your claims, whether because you are lying or just haven't done your homework, you CAN'T talk without exposing yourself.

Terrorist is the wrong word. They were asking for the government to be disbanded and their own hand picked (by them) group of citizens be put into power (wait-what? I didn't vote for this). That is a (very Canadian-ish, I might add) bloodless coup and is by definition treason. Someone who commits (or attempts to commit) treason is a traitor by definition. As much as I despise sock boy, you don't negotiate with traitors.

 

[bitzz]

Now they're terrorists!

Sure they are. Where have you been?
They're anti-semetic too