not everyone has nice tasting water out of the tap.
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Plastic bags illegal in Toronto by Jan 1, 2013
- Thread starter james426
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not everyone has nice tasting water out of the tap.
not picking on anyone here but
The first person complained they have to buy what used to be free (point taken on lack of reduction)
Second complained of not now having dog poop bags
Third complained of carrying reusable bags
Then complained at having to remember them....
All I'm saying is although it is not convenient we really should be embracing this, or at least attempting to try. It is just a shot at waste management, not to screw up your life.
I was listening to an interview a few years back with a guy that does (or his company does) garbage dump mining. Basically they dig up old garbage dumps and salvage recyclables, metals etc. He has dug up dumps that were very old to dumps that closed only a decade before. He made one very interesting comment, he has never seen a single plastic bag or garbage bag! Basically they had all broken down.
Now what he did not comment on is what they broke down into (was the result a toxin etc.??). He just knew they were gone.
As for Toronto, the stores opposed lifting the ban because they are making a mint, the city should have just made it optional like Ford was trying to do. This is just another example councillors going against Ford even if what he is doing is what the voters want. Hopefully the voters will take notice when the nest election comes around, you don't have to hate or love Ford to realize that these people are voting out of spite and that is wrong.
Now what he did not comment on is what they broke down into (was the result a toxin etc.??). He just knew they were gone.
As for Toronto, the stores opposed lifting the ban because they are making a mint, the city should have just made it optional like Ford was trying to do. This is just another example councillors going against Ford even if what he is doing is what the voters want. Hopefully the voters will take notice when the nest election comes around, you don't have to hate or love Ford to realize that these people are voting out of spite and that is wrong.
markopas
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I was thinking the same thing (for my washrooms that is, nothing really else fits in them so well).
The way the stores in Toronto got around the $0.05 for bags would be to give paper bags (nice loophole for those who knew or cared about their customers), just like anything else living in the city you learn to adjust to the habits and keep the reusable bags in your trunk of your car this way you are not caught off guard by forgetting them. Alternatively I like grabbing the boxes from Fortinos and Costco to put my stuff in (easier to manage), this way I can just recycle the box (breaking it down flat) afterwards.
I would always get my plastic bags from outside Toronto from stores who still gave them out until certain stores decided to follow suit and not just because it was City regulated which really ****** me off becuase they were just pocketing the money to make an extra profit.
Venom01
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I buy white kitchen catchers for the kitchen - all the other cans are "dry" only and can be washed out.
invictus43
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I'm watching the German experiment with renewable electricity sources and the plan to eliminate nuclear power plants there. At one point they were touting how wonderful solar and wind sources were and how this was the future blahblah. Then they realized the government was pouring a lot of money into subsidizing the solar and wind industries and they stopped that. Now the cost of power is increasing. They expect the cost to be about $400 per household per year as a result of eliminating "cheaper" sources of power. So now they're crying about having no money to pay for this increase. At some point, you have to pay up if you want to be environmentally friendly. Everyone talks a good game until it's money out of their pocket or inconvenience..then the crying starts..
"We want to be environmentally friendly!"
Ok, we're banning plastic bags..
"But I USE those!!! Ban something we don't use!!"
"We want to be environmentally friendly!"
Ok, we're banning plastic bags..
"But I USE those!!! Ban something we don't use!!"
nesobriquet
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I can see it all now....purchased trash bag prices just ballooned...
There'll be a new black market op opening up.
And when people say they're going antique shopping on the w/e, what they're really hoping to score are plastic bags! lolAnd before you know it, there'll be holdups on the street corners...gimme your bag or die muther****er..
There'll be a new black market op opening up.
And when people say they're going antique shopping on the w/e, what they're really hoping to score are plastic bags! lolAnd before you know it, there'll be holdups on the street corners...gimme your bag or die muther****er..
No need to buy a bunch of little plastic bottles. You can get filters for your tap that may help, or buy the big bottles that you can refill or exchange.
Thank god I live just outside of the border of Toronto where bags are still free : -)
This has nothing to do with saving the ecology and more about taxing the population.
This has nothing to do with saving the ecology and more about taxing the population.
markopas
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Do you reuse your "little plastic bottles"?
As well, buy one reusable bottle and buy a brita filter because if you just continue to drink out of the plastic bottles that are nice and cheap than you might as well be drinking directly out of the tap
Plus, I bet if you lived in a small remote village where all you can do is drink from a well - drinking out of tap don't look so bad.
One article I read said that newspapers found in dumps and decades old were still readable. So much for the rot to nothing arguement.
I'm also old enough to remember the bottoms falling out of paper bags and dumping the groceries on the pavement. They also don't have handles.
I buy bottled water because I get a lot of service calls where I don't have access to decent drinking water. I keep several in the van and share as needed. Around the house I use filtered tap water.
I try to reuse but sometimes I want to know my fresh produce isn't being contaminated by whatever was in the container the first time around.
What bugged me the most was the councillor saying the bags fell apart and the stores were making millions. I'd like to see the numbers.
Red_Liner740
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You know whats the absolute cheapest way to buy water? in 500ml water bottles....yup. I can now go and buy 35 bottle cases for $2.50. Thats 7c a bottle!!!! thats 14c a liter! Over here they talk about being environment friendly and then they make the most un-environmental-friendly packaging the cheapest. And i drink bottled water at home. Brita does absolutely nothing for my water in Tottenham. I buy 15L jugs and refil my 0.5l bottles.
Anyways....of all the issues we have on our plate, plastic bags are the smallest. City is broke, our roads are potholed, infrastructure is falling apart, but its okay, we got solar panels on all our signs warning us that our suspension is going to fall out from the roads.
Anyways....of all the issues we have on our plate, plastic bags are the smallest. City is broke, our roads are potholed, infrastructure is falling apart, but its okay, we got solar panels on all our signs warning us that our suspension is going to fall out from the roads.
If we want solar energy and other "green" energy to go somewhere we need to support it so the technologies can get better, because so far, it's like burning a liter of gas to make a liter of gas. This is how efficient solar power is. But anyway, apparently by 2035 the main source of energy on the earth will be coal. Everyone can afford it...
Sorry for the side track.
invictus43
Well-known member
You're right about the coal..or natural gas.. Thing is, people will use what's cheapest. Nobody wants to pay $100 for electricity if they can pay $50. They'll talk green, but when it comes time to pay, they don't want to. I don't care really one way or the other..but I just get the feeling that people won't accept the increase. Electricity goes up 5% in Ontario and they want to hang someone..
stevex
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I have a hard time accepting these green movements that just serve to cost me more ($ or time/convenience) mainly because it's a drop in a VAST bucket...we contribute to what? 1-2% of the overall pollution of the planet? And how much of that is caused by the little guy, the individual consumer versus big biz and industry?
Just seems like a futile effort... can't win, don't try
Just seems like a futile effort... can't win, don't try
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