Piracy Laws

there's already laws to deal with gtam or any other site hosting copyright material. the way SOPA/PIPA are written they can be misused maliciously with no retribution. it also throws out all "fair use" usage (my avatar currently falls under fair use, I made it from another picture).

As opposed to the vast numbers of sites that host illegal content and are so difficult to nearly impossible to prosecute to remove the content? It may be throwing the leverage a bit too far in favour of the content originator, agreed, but again, if you don't own the image, you don't necessarily have a right to use it. Maybe some people would get some originality and make their own images if they're unable to use other people's work.
 
The simple solution would be for people like you and me to stop torrenting (what is torrenting by the way?), downloading, and purchasing stuff that is obviously stolen.

People are economically supporting this crap, and shifting money from the legitimate economy to the underground economy. Shouldn't people get paid for their work?

Right now it its too hard to prosecute the suppliers and users of these stolen items, so the industry is negotiating a better deal.
 
Well, duh. Do you not remember the massive legal effort by HD's legal dept years ago when everyone including flea market vendors were raided and had all their "unauthourised" wares seized? Try to find a t-shirt nowadays without the official certification tag on it. Harley jealously guards their logo and official suppliers, including the few artists sanctioned by them to paint portraits.

But you raise a valid point in that how far is too far when it comes to corporate harassment. I believe the intent of SOPA is honourable, but by the time it comes into play there will be too many corporate rights built into it and not enough personal rights.

I agree with the hammering of bogus Ts and belt buckles at the flea markets. They imply a legal connection to HD or whoever is being flogged on the merchandise. I have a couple of HD ts and they are very good quality so I can understand HDs marketing of merchandise.

I can understand HDs concern if someone is doing pure portraits of the bike and the only reason the portraits are selling is the HD image. In the case of Mrs G's painting the bike and dealer were IMO incidental details. The painting would not be HD merchandising. The painting to me was a semi-rural scene IIRC and if HD doesn't want their bikes included they shouldn't be selling them to the public. If you don't want your bike, beer or boobs to be photographed, sketched or painted then don't show them in public.

Does a person who customises a bike have to get the manufacturer's permission to display it at shows?

To my knowledge you can reproduce, in limited ways, a piece of material for your own personal use. Make your own HD calandar for your own little cubicle of life. Do not try to sell it or give it away for profit or benefit. Going back, the thing that bothers me is the intimidation factor and these proposed changes make intimidation easier. If a major company decided to wage war on an individual, the individual could face legal fees of tens of thousands of dollars or more. All for making a social observation via art. I'm not talking about slander, just showing a slice of American life.

Enough of my anal drivel.
 
I just googled "contraband film free download" and got 3,260,000 hits.

Isn't that a little bit much?
 
I just googled "contraband film free download" and got 3,260,000 hits.

Isn't that a little bit much?

That doesn't mean that there are 3 million locations to download that. It just means that there are sites that mention those words or a combination of those words, not even in that order, just somewhere on their site, as google has cached it.

I'm all for stopping piracy but this legislation is like blowing up your house to kill a fly.
 
The simple solution would be for people like you and me to stop torrenting (what is torrenting by the way?), downloading, and purchasing stuff that is obviously stolen.

That's fair. And once they've worked out a "fair"deal, I want a partial refund (with interest) on the artificially high prices I paid due to their monopoly colluding with each other on all the vinyl/tapes/CDs I've bought over the years.
 
EDM music was brought to the masses by illegal downloads. Ten years ago very few knew what house was. You could get a few CDs with "Rave Beats 101" at record stores. Now much else. Online you can find hour long sets that show off DJs and and producers. This creates demand for the good ones, and they get gigs all over the world. Online music stores sell a lot of music even though it's all available for download. I bet a lot more small artists are able to make money now, than they would have been if sony and all the other big labels had everything in their claws.
 
EDM music was brought to the masses by illegal downloads. Ten years ago very few knew what house was. You could get a few CDs with "Rave Beats 101" at record stores. Now much else. Online you can find hour long sets that show off DJs and and producers. This creates demand for the good ones, and they get gigs all over the world. Online music stores sell a lot of music even though it's all available for download. I bet a lot more small artists are able to make money now, than they would have been if sony and all the other big labels had everything in their claws.

Industry Canada has shown that downloading music and movies is beneficial to the creators of the content resulting in more actual legit media sold. Some artists have found that embracing new media and new ways of selling has increased profits.
 
This creates demand for the good ones, and they get gigs all over the world.


Even the bad ones are getting gigs.

"If you're a Jersey Shore fanatic (God help you) or if you just like to dance and don't care about what people think, DJ Pauly D's coming back to Toronto in just a couple of weeks - Feb. 8 at Sound Academy. Tickets ($30) for the all-ages show go on sale Friday via Livenation.com, Ticketmaster outlets, Rotate This and Soundscapes.."

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Even the bad ones are getting gigs.

"If you're a Jersey Shore fanatic (God help you) or if you just like to dance and don't care about what people think, DJ Pauly D's coming back to Toronto in just a couple of weeks - Feb. 8 at Sound Academy. Tickets ($30) for the all-ages show go on sale Friday via Livenation.com, Ticketmaster outlets, Rotate This and Soundscapes.."

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The kind of guy that gets promoted by the marketing machine. It's very sad that the marketing bombardment doesn't stop with ads. It gets legislated these days.
 
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Industry Canada has shown that downloading music and movies is beneficial to the creators of the content resulting in more actual legit media sold. Some artists have found that embracing new media and new ways of selling has increased profits.

I went to their website http://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/ic1.nsf/eng/home and could find no reference to what you described. You're trying to suggest that stealing music is good for everyone, please elaborate.
 
Industry Canada has shown that downloading music and movies is beneficial to the creators of the content resulting in more actual legit media sold. Some artists have found that embracing new media and new ways of selling has increased profits.

But that's a business decision the artists can make. It doesn't change the fact they own the content.
 
I went to their website http://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/ic1.nsf/eng/home and could find no reference to what you described. You're trying to suggest that stealing music is good for everyone, please elaborate.


http://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/ippd-dppi.nsf/eng/h_ip01456.html


The report, prepared by University of London researchers, Birgitte Andersen and Marion Frenz, found that music downloads have a positive effect on music purchases among Canadian downloaders but that there is no effect taken over the entire population aged 15 and over.

from the summery of their results
However, our analysis of the Canadian P2P file-sharing subpopulation suggests that there is a strong positive relationship between P2P file-sharing and CD purchasing. That is, among Canadians actually engaged in it, P2P file-sharing increases CD purchasing. We estimate that the effect of one additional P2P download per month is to increase music purchasing by 0.44 CDs per year (based on estimates obtained from the negative binomial model in Table 4.3). Furthermore, we find indirect evidence of the 'market creation' effect of P2P file-sharing in the positive coefficient on the variable 'Not available elsewhere' (Table 4.3).

Canadians download music, then buy it or vice versa. I know back in the day when it was faster for me to download music than to rip it off of CDs i owned already I would so that I wouldn't have to wait so long.
 
Could I be arrested for whistling while I work if I hadn't paid a royalty?

Did ya know that technically we are supposed to pay $1 everytime you sing happy birthday?

agreed. The only exception I'd have is if you took a picture of me. I should be able to use it without permission, since it is me after all.

Nope.... you are the content and the content is not relevant in the issue... he/she took the picture it is theirs. Get involved in modelling and you'll see very quickly how it works.


Bahahahah thats AWESOME!!! I stole a copy :P

EDM music was brought to the masses by illegal downloads. Ten years ago very few knew what house was. You could get a few CDs with "Rave Beats 101" at record stores. Now much else. Online you can find hour long sets that show off DJs and and producers. This creates demand for the good ones, and they get gigs all over the world. Online music stores sell a lot of music even though it's all available for download. I bet a lot more small artists are able to make money now, than they would have been if sony and all the other big labels had everything in their claws.

Autodesk was smart... they knew that to help make sure they were the #1 product used they made their main software easy to get a hold of and crackable.... heck you can typically download next years copy before its issued. And you can download their products free online just to unlock you pay. Because of this the number 1 worldwide drafting program is Autocad. You can see how easy they made autocad by seeing how hard it is to get your hands on a Revit crack. Doable but not easy like cad. Students get their hands on it get good at it and use it all through school, then businesses to keep up BUY the program at $2000 a year licenses and viola... instant market.
 
Well, duh. Do you not remember the massive legal effort by HD's legal dept years ago when everyone including flea market vendors were raided and had all their "unauthourised" wares seized? Try to find a t-shirt nowadays without the official certification tag on it. Harley jealously guards their logo and official suppliers, including the few artists sanctioned by them to paint portraits.

But you raise a valid point in that how far is too far when it comes to corporate harassment. I believe the intent of SOPA is honourable, but by the time it comes into play there will be too many corporate rights built into it and not enough personal rights.

And yet the law (here, at least) is clear that even copy-written logos may be used, in a work of art, if that logo is not a major element in the composition. In other words if the piece isn't all about the logo, then you can use it.

Unfortunately some companies, like Harley Davidson, are are so 'brand conscious' that they will hammer down legitimate users, through an avalanche of paperwork and lawyers, to the point of bankruptcy.

On this law, it goes too far. As someone who has the occasional photo published my work has been ripped off, reproduced, and sold without my leave. It has been used in advertising material. It has been hacked up and used on commercial websites. Obviously I need some protection, for my intellectual property. This law, however, takes it to absurd extremes. Under it, it is conceivable that I could have my website pulled if I posted a link to another site, in order to call attention to the fact that they were illegally using copy-written material (perhaps even my own).
 
Currently the global intellectual "property" laws go WAY too far in every respect.. The periods are too long, they negatively affect our privacy, freedom of expression, fair use of content and legitimate use of purchased content (DRM - Digital Restrictions Management - provisions). Even when you toe the line, you can be hammered by patent/copyright trolls. One other thing that has happened in that respect is that companies started building up patent portfolios and patenting stuff that should have never been patented like a square-shaped phone, scroll bars, slide-locks.. Most of those patents are invalid, but large companies like Apple, Microsoft and Samsung have used them to suppress upstart competition, attack each other and attack the open source community, which in turn has a hugely negative effect on future content development and the society in general (another step toward corporate communism).
 
And yet the law (here, at least) is clear that even copy-written logos may be used, in a work of art, if that logo is not a major element in the composition. In other words if the piece isn't all about the logo, then you can use it.

Unfortunately some companies, like Harley Davidson, are are so 'brand conscious' that they will hammer down legitimate users, through an avalanche of paperwork and lawyers, to the point of bankruptcy.

On this law, it goes too far. As someone who has the occasional photo published my work has been ripped off, reproduced, and sold without my leave. It has been used in advertising material. It has been hacked up and used on commercial websites. Obviously I need some protection, for my intellectual property. This law, however, takes it to absurd extremes. Under it, it is conceivable that I could have my website pulled if I posted a link to another site, in order to call attention to the fact that they were illegally using copy-written material (perhaps even my own).

I was told that if a character in a movie or on TV asked for a "Coke" they would get a letter from the Coca-Cola company advising them that "Coke" was a trademark blah blah blah. The intent was I think more to prevent "Coke" becoming a generic term like "Kleenex" instead of facial tissue.

The concept of having strong copywrite / patent legislation is good. The bad part is the ease at which it can be abused.

The funny part is that before the internet the two biggest copywrite criminals were church choirs photocopying sheet music and grandma copying cassette music as Christmas gifts for friends. They're lucky tasers weren't around then :)
 
I was told that if a character in a movie or on TV asked for a "Coke" they would get a letter from the Coca-Cola company advising them that "Coke" was a trademark blah blah blah. The intent was I think more to prevent "Coke" becoming a generic term like "Kleenex" instead of facial tissue.

The concept of having strong copywrite / patent legislation is good. The bad part is the ease at which it can be abused.

The funny part is that before the internet the two biggest copywrite criminals were church choirs photocopying sheet music and grandma copying cassette music as Christmas gifts for friends. They're lucky tasers weren't around then :)

Barn door closed. Horse already gone. Spent much time in the American south? In restaurants it's very common to hear, "Can I have a Coke?" "What kind?" "Mountain Dew."

Then again they don't know that tea is normally served hot.
 
agreed. The only exception I'd have is if you took a picture of me. I should be able to use it without permission, since it is me after all.

Photographers charge you if they take a picture of you, too. That's why they have studios and scheduled shoots. It wouldn't exist without that photographer's expertise and equipment, and that's worth something.
 
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