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Schneller said:
If only that were true. Have you heard of profiling?
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Ah yes, the heinous crime of "profiling". Heaven forbid one uses fact, knowledge, historical evidence to build a foundation for how to act or deal with people in a given situation.

New flash, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck, it might just maybe, be an actual duck.


http://www.naacp.org/pages/criminal-justice-fact-sheet

My guess it's all the "profilers" fault that all of theses folks who were just trying to turn their lives around and improve not only themselves, but also improving society as a whole were caught. If only they hadn't been profiled against and just left alone to do their crimes, then the disparity of the facts posted in the link would be resolved, and hey we could save a ton of incarceration costs at the same time!
 
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Snobike Mike said:
Ah yes, the heinous crime of "profiling". Heaven forbid one uses fact, knowledge, historical evidence to build a foundation for how to act or deal with people in a given situation.

New flash, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck, it might just maybe, be an actual duck.
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Way, way off base.
 
Snobike Mike said:
Ah yes, the heinous crime of "profiling". Heaven forbid one uses fact, knowledge, historical evidence to build a foundation for how to act or deal with people in a given situation.

New flash, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck, it might just maybe, be an actual duck.


http://www.naacp.org/pages/criminal-justice-fact-sheet

My guess it's all the "profilers" fault that all of theses folks who were just trying to turn their lives around and improve not only themselves, but also improving society as a whole were caught. If only they hadn't been profiled against and just left alone to do their crimes, then the disparity of the facts posted in the link would be resolved, and hey we could save a ton of incarceration costs at the same time!
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Ironic how some strongly self-professed Christians can be so hateful and racist.

Here's another one of Mike's heros: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/rush-limbaugh-idris-elba-james-bond
 
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It's not a sweeping generalization because it is qualified with the word "some". I stand by it as being precisely accurate. My point is that it's ironic, just like I wrote.

'Love your neighbour as yourself.' There is no commandment greater than these."

I read that as all men, not just other white men.

Would Jesus be okay with profiling? Would jesus condone racism? I think not, yet your posts indicate that you do.

Ironic, isn't it?


Deflection with anti-female red herring.


Facebook comment about the Scottish actor point: I hate to break it to Rushy-Rush, but neither Pierce Brosnan, Daniel Craig, nor Timothy Dalton are Scottish. Interesting how he didn't have a problem with them. What's more, people like Rush would be the first to defend a movie like 'Exodus' for casting white actors as Egyptian royalty and other races as slaves and peasants, asking "what's the big deal?" Hypocritical pigs, the lot of them.
 
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Snobike Mike said:
http://www.naacp.org/pages/criminal-justice-fact-sheet

My guess it's all the "profilers" fault that all of theses folks who were just trying to turn their lives around and improve not only themselves, but also improving society as a whole were caught. If only they hadn't been profiled against and just left alone to do their crimes, then the disparity of the facts posted in the link would be resolved, and hey we could save a ton of incarceration costs at the same time!
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Probably one of us doesn't even understand what profiling is. Of the 2.3 million, 1 million are African American. The remaining 1.3 million and their lookalikes can be stopped anywhere anytime right?
 
Snobike Mike said:
Ah yes, sweeping statements to prove what point exactly?

If Bond is supposed to be Scottish and White then why is it somehow racist to have him cast with white males?

Is it anti-women that Bond has never been a women?
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Jebus H. Christ on a pogo stick , have we gone to Bond in a skirt? can you wreck Christmas? You've wrecked the eve. Put on the pointy hat and set yourself in a corner and think long and hard (like a real Bond) about what you have done here.
 
Who was that L.A.P.D. officer that got fired or quit and started to kill cops for revenge because they were doing illegal things and he wouldn't play game??
 
LiNK666 said:
Who was that L.A.P.D. officer that got fired or quit and started to kill cops for revenge because they were doing illegal things and he wouldn't play game??
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Then they shot up some white and Asian people while thinking it was him? IIRC the guy's name is Chris Dorner
 
You guys still trying to talk sense in Schneller & fastar? Lol.
That's like trying to talk a horse up a tree
 
RockerGuy said:
You guys still trying to talk sense in Schneller & fastar? Lol.
That's like trying to talk a horse up a tree
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Nope.. Presenting the argument for the benefit of a thinking audience :cool:
 
http://www.yorkregion.com/news-stor...brothers-accused-of-beating-intruder-dropped/

Charges against Thornhill brothers accused of beating intruder dropped
May 22, 2014

Two brothers charged with beating an intruder who broke into their Thornhill home last year have had all charges against them dropped.

The Crown realized the prospect for conviction was low and it was no longer in the public interest to prosecute. They are very pleased to have the whole episode behind them.”

Golovanov (intruder) was eventually convicted of break and enter with intent and received a suspended sentence and two-year probation.​


http://www.torontosun.com/2012/08/23/self-defence-ruled-in-calgary-home-invasion-death
THURSDAY, AUGUST 23, 2012 09:17 PM EDT

No charges will be laid in the fatal shooting of a Calgary man after his death was deemed the result of self defence.

Cops were called [for] a possible break-in; Several people were in the home at the time, and as officers were removing them, they found the body of 35-year-old Joseph Lesley Talbot, who had been shot to death.

One person was arrested and questioned, but later released, said homicide Staff Sgt. Doug Andrus. On Thursday, police said no one will be charged in Talbot’s death after the Crown prosecutor’s office deemed the incident a non-culpable homicide, meaning there was no legal wrongdoing, such as in the case of self defence.​


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There's a big difference with both events, in one case you have the shooter cooperating with police. In the other case, you had a long drawn out legal process that almost went to trial.

It's a very difficult choice whether you want to cooperate; you could give incriminating evidence, or you could be let off the hook.

Self-defence does exist in Canada... that Calgary is just one of numerous examples. You can kill an intruder and get off immediately, but you'll have to play ball with the investigating police officers. If you start lawyering up at the first sign of questions, then expect to lawyer up until the end.
 
iFly55 said:
http://www.yorkregion.com/news-stor...brothers-accused-of-beating-intruder-dropped/

Charges against Thornhill brothers accused of beating intruder dropped
May 22, 2014
Two brothers charged with beating an intruder who broke into their Thornhill home last year have had all charges against them dropped.

The Crown realized the prospect for conviction was low and it was no longer in the public interest to prosecute. They are very pleased to have the whole episode behind them.”

Golovanov (intruder) was eventually convicted of break and enter with intent and received a suspended sentence and two-year probation.​


http://www.torontosun.com/2012/08/23/self-defence-ruled-in-calgary-home-invasion-death
THURSDAY, AUGUST 23, 2012 09:17 PM EDT
No charges will be laid in the fatal shooting of a Calgary man after his death was deemed the result of self defence.

Cops were called [for] a possible break-in; Several people were in the home at the time, and as officers were removing them, they found the body of 35-year-old Joseph Lesley Talbot, who had been shot to death.

One person was arrested and questioned, but later released, said homicide Staff Sgt. Doug Andrus. On Thursday, police said no one will be charged in Talbot’s death after the Crown prosecutor’s office deemed the incident a non-culpable homicide, meaning there was no legal wrongdoing, such as in the case of self defence.​


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There's a big difference with both events, in one case you have the shooter cooperating with police. In the other case, you had a long drawn out legal process that almost went to trial.

It's a very difficult choice whether you want to cooperate; you could give incriminating evidence, or you could be let off the hook.

Self-defence does exist in Canada... that Calgary is just one of numerous examples. You can kill an intruder and get off immediately, but you'll have to play ball with the investigating police officers. If you start lawyering up at the first sign of questions, then expect to lawyer up until the end.
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Alberta is one of the most right winged provinces in Canada, I won't be surprised. I'm curious as to what would've happened in Ontario.

If I were to defend myself in such a scenario, I'd definitely lawyer up. I won't even contemplate on risking on saying the wrong words
 
iFly55 said:
You can kill an intruder and get off immediately, but you'll have to play ball with the investigating police officers. If you start lawyering up at the first sign of questions, then expect to lawyer up until the end.
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Always always always get a lawyer. It's a game that cops are trained to play, you are not. I would never play ball against a pro and expect to win, but I would get my own pro to play on my behalf.
 
Robp said:
Always always always get a lawyer. It's a game that cops are trained to play, you are not. I would never play ball against a pro and expect to win, but I would get my own pro to play on my behalf.
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The only thing coming out of your mouth should be "I want a lawyer". Too many career criminals know it. Too few law abiding citizens know it. That's why law abiding citizens make soft targets for someone who looks good to his superior every time he helps secure a conviction.
 
FiReSTaRT said:
The only thing coming out of your mouth should be "I want a lawyer". Too many career criminals know it. Too few law abiding citizens know it. That's why law abiding citizens make soft targets for someone who looks good to his superior every time he helps secure a conviction.
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Exactly. But don't forget that we don't have the right to have a lawyer present under questioning. I think it's hard to keep quiet as people keep talking to you. But that's the key in my eyes. Keep quiet and do what you lawyer tells you.

I've always liked the line,"I have no recollection to the events in question."
 
Robp said:
Exactly. But don't forget that we don't have the right to have a lawyer present under questioning. I think it's hard to keep quiet as people keep talking to you. But that's the key in my eyes. Keep quiet and do what you lawyer tells you.

I've always liked the line,"I have no recollection to the events in question."
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Unless under a lawyer's supervision, the only things that should be coming out of your mouth are:
1) I want a lawyer
2) I need to use the bathroom
3) I need food/water
 
FiReSTaRT said:
Unless under a lawyer's supervision, the only things that should be coming out of your mouth are:
1) I want a lawyer
2) I need to use the bathroom
3) I need food/water
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Add "Am I under arrest?" If the answer is no, you're free to leave any time you wish.
 
FiReSTaRT said:
Tamir Rice was a case of an adult-sized kid (regardless of his 6yrold pics posted in the media) waving what looked like a real gun. The cops were quick to shoot but it had nothing to do with his skin colour.

Eric Garner's case also looks like garden variety police brutality. They didn't harass him for his skin colour, they engaged him because he was involved in illegal activity and the situation was escalated from there.

John Crawford case definitely looks like race was an issue, but even then, the trend is being blown WAY out of proportion. I agree that people engaging in racial profiling shouldn't be involved in policing. I agree that if they cause harm, they should answer to it to the fullest extent of the law. I still don't see a bunch of innocent black folk dropping like flies because of their skin color. Hell, 3/4 of black murder victims in the US were killed by people from the same ethnic group and no, not cops. You really feel that black lives matter? Deal with the black on black violence. You'll save a lot more lives :cool:
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I'm sure you agree that there's more to both of those explanations than what you described, like the reason why a cop would drive to within a few feet of a guy with a gun, leaving himself no option but to shoot.

But I'll focus on what I agree about your post, which is that the racial angle is overblown. In your take of events there was no racism in the first two cases but there was racism in the third. You may be right too, the thing is we don't actually know. Maybe all, maybe some, maybe none of them were impacted by racism. Racism is a consideration that needs to be left on the table. I'm also open to considering the racial argument that some people are more inclined to violence and crime, as you suggested by commenting on black-on-black violence. Except that particular argument is a red herring because all demographic groups commit violence against their own, everywhere. Race, gender, age, wealth, whatever. They all primarily target each other. If there's any evidence that blacks are to blame for their own problems, the rate of black-on-black violence is definitely not it!

But race isn't the only thing that distinguishes those who are claiming to be victimized by the cops. They also share geography (inner suburbs), and income levels (poor). Those aspects could play a role in justifying their complaints (if there is any justification at all).

BTW the rest of us owe any group who displays that level of resentment towards society the respect to investigate their grievances, even if it turns up nothing in the end. I don't think there's ever been a time in history when people looked back like, "Jeez, we sure were wrong to side with the marginalized and oppressed." This kind of movement simply doesn't get whipped into a frenzy because people want bigger TVs and less work, basically, an overgrown sense of entitlement. That's the excuse Libertarians make up so they don't have to admit that society has a real influence on the lives of individuals.

By taking the issue seriously, some issues have been uncovered with the way municipalities are organized, and people are starting to question the operation of Grand Juries. These aren't racial issues, but again that shouldn't be taken off the table either.

I don't put too much weight on the cries of racism. I figure the exaggerated focus on racism is just par for the course in US political dialogue, where everything is always about race even when it isn't. Again, that doesn't mean THIS isn't about racism. And it certainly doesn't mean their grievances are invalid. People are seriously ****** off and they're just expressing it in the best way they know how.
 
Schneller said:
Ironic how some strongly self-professed Christians can be so hateful and racist.

Here's another one of Mike's heros: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/rush-limbaugh-idris-elba-james-bond
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Why is it hateful to post up factual stats?

Its no secret that US prisons host a disproportionate number of African Americans.

If little blue men were out there assaulting people I'd probably wanna pay close attention to them too lol

Same goes for the current flavor of terrorists. They're certainly not Chinese or Brazilian.
 
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