Did you just argue that everyone at your work wears a mask all the time.....AND that no one from your work contracted the virus from work? No **** Sherlock.
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Numbers are still climbing quickly. I'm not sure curfew helps much. Temporary geo-restrictions seem to be effective and completely ignored as an option (and contrary to the vocal minority, completely unaffected by anything the constitution says).I think due to covid fatigue, Dougie doesn't have the oomph to implement curfew anymore...
Curfew = political suicide
or maybe he does want to be a martyr for this cause
Why wouldn't they climb? Because they taped a few shelves at Dolorama? Every second house on my street had parties or family gathering after the current "lockdown" was introduced or whatever it's called now. People are tired and nothing is really enforced, so...
I think that is the root of the problem. The majority comply but they are getting tired and starting to ignore more guidelines as they are both unenforced and they see others enjoying life. Additional rules have no effect on the minority that are ignoring current rules.
Big fat fines will help.
Sure, have that house party. Fines start at $5000 per person. EVERY person.
I’m tired of paying the price for ******** who think the rules don’t apply to them for whatever nonsense reason they come up with in their head.
Sure, have that house party. Fines start at $5000 per person. EVERY person.
I’m tired of paying the price for ******** who think the rules don’t apply to them for whatever nonsense reason they come up with in their head.
I don't get it. You'd think it could be an absolute liability offence like speeding where your mere presence is sufficient for a conviction. The fine amounts are laughably low and rarely collected. It's all embarassing theatre.
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I hope you are correct . But he also said not following the advice of the public health officer. Will be political suicide .I think due to covid fatigue, Dougie doesn't have the oomph to implement curfew anymore...
Curfew = political suicide
or maybe he does want to be a martyr for this cause
oh they are spamming all the whatsapp chat groups, it will happen.
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I got a letter today in case curfew happens saying I work afternoons ?
I can't see a curfew accomplishing much, if anything. I don't see the point.
Closing construction sites? If it's indoors, maybe. If it's outdoors ... doesn't seem to be much point.
I think they know where a lot of the community transmission is coming from: workplaces. Indoors, people fairly close to each other and for long periods.
Will they have the guts to shut down distribution centers? Amazon, Walmart, Canada Post, Canadian Tire, and many others? "unless you're distributing food, you're shutting down"
Will they have the guts to shut down auto manufacturing? Shutting down parts manufacturers (and there are lots of them) will shut down a lot of North American production, not just in Ontario. Mind you, Michigan could use a shutdown, too. Their daily-new-cases graph looks just like ours.
Maybe they need to commit to a date. "Everything is shutting down for the next three weeks. Everything. Then, come hell or high water, regardless of consequences, that's the end of the lockdown and stay-at-home orders. Get yourself vaccinated."
We're vaccinating about 0.7% of our population (with the first dose) per day. We've done just over 20%. Three weeks plus a couple days will put us to around 40%. That's not enough to stop new cases (the Israel and UK experience looks like cases don't really start dropping until around 50% have been vaccinated) but hopefully it's enough to cover most of the population that is the most likely to end up in hospital.
Closing construction sites? If it's indoors, maybe. If it's outdoors ... doesn't seem to be much point.
I think they know where a lot of the community transmission is coming from: workplaces. Indoors, people fairly close to each other and for long periods.
Will they have the guts to shut down distribution centers? Amazon, Walmart, Canada Post, Canadian Tire, and many others? "unless you're distributing food, you're shutting down"
Will they have the guts to shut down auto manufacturing? Shutting down parts manufacturers (and there are lots of them) will shut down a lot of North American production, not just in Ontario. Mind you, Michigan could use a shutdown, too. Their daily-new-cases graph looks just like ours.
Maybe they need to commit to a date. "Everything is shutting down for the next three weeks. Everything. Then, come hell or high water, regardless of consequences, that's the end of the lockdown and stay-at-home orders. Get yourself vaccinated."
We're vaccinating about 0.7% of our population (with the first dose) per day. We've done just over 20%. Three weeks plus a couple days will put us to around 40%. That's not enough to stop new cases (the Israel and UK experience looks like cases don't really start dropping until around 50% have been vaccinated) but hopefully it's enough to cover most of the population that is the most likely to end up in hospital.
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If the government will pay for my expenses or some sort of freeze that will not harm my credit score then okay! Shut everything down for 3-4 weeks otherwise need $$$$$$$$$
If the government will pay for my expenses or some sort of freeze that will not harm my credit score then okay! Shut everything down for 3-4 weeks otherwise need $$$$$$$$$
I said near the beginning that it would be interesting if there could be a complete suspension of activity for a few weeks. No interest earned or paid, no rent, no property tax, no income, no expenses, stay on your property unless you were truly essential (police/fire/ambulance/hospital staff, water treatment employees, etc). Try to make it a time period that never happened financially. Obviously easier to say than actually implement.
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Once in a lifetime opportunity and definitely doable with modern technology....
Edit - but rich will get richer playing with stocks, wfh etc... Hmm
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I don't know all the details, but I'm pretty sure Italy did something similar when they did their full-blown lockdown last year, including mandating banks to pause mortgage payment collection. I'm not holding my breath that the banks here would be willing to forego even a penny of profit for the civic good, though, so would expect them to fight any suggestion of such absolutely tooth and nail.
The good news is, numbers are "sky high" but deaths have remained relatively low
So whether all the people that were going to die from it have died, or they've been vaccinated.
The percent positivity is pretty darn high though
In the end, our problem is we keep doing half-measures. We didn't do a true lockdown, we didn't get serious enough with our vaccination, etc etc. So this is dragging wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy longer than it should.
So whether all the people that were going to die from it have died, or they've been vaccinated.
The percent positivity is pretty darn high though
In the end, our problem is we keep doing half-measures. We didn't do a true lockdown, we didn't get serious enough with our vaccination, etc etc. So this is dragging wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy longer than it should.
We should have vaccinated those most likely to die from covid in the next month or so. The scary death stats start when they hit triage. By definition many people that may have lived are never given the chance at that point. That includes accidents/heart/stroke/crashes/covid/etc.
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Supposedly 18,000 cases per day coming
Holy moly
Holy moly
deaths are usually 3 weeks behind cases
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