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Ontario Budet Talks 2017 Lane Splitting

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meme said:
And it didn't start to relieve congestion or a safety standpoint. It was to keep bikes from overheating AFAIK.

No news really, as it's still illegal and I doubt it'll be passed.
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With only about 2% of the registered vehicles being M/Cs I doubt Auntie Kathy gives a damn. She's too busy pushing electricity ventures. Maybe she'll allow e-bikes and e-motorcycles to split but not the fossil fueled ones.

Motorcycles are considered recreational vehicles not transportation, therefore not important in the government scheme of things.

Of the 2% how many riders use their bike as sole transportation all year long?

I did it one year, decades back and it sucked.

On a date we used my GF's car and I showed up looking like either a Popsicle, sweat sock or drowned rat depending on the weather. Shopping was knapsack dependent.

Do the math and you'll find that there is little benefit to traffic in general. The advantage only goes to the biker, a small fraction of 1% of the road traffic.

I can actually see benefits in stopped traffic filtering, particularly at lights but considering the flip plate, mirror kicking, hit and run warriors I'll pass on supporting that as well.

P.S. If they legalize it they can't fine you for doing it so a loss of potential revenue.
 
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People can't be bothered to adhere to half the laws there are now. The new "move over for stopped emergency vehicles and tow trucks" one instituted a year or so back is a great example - every single day I see people that don't follow it on the 401. Not moving over for tow trucks, bad enough, but when there's police stopped on the shoulder with someone pulled over, standing at the cars window...and people blow past obliviously only a few feet away (when there was 2 empty lanes beside them they could easily have moved into) it goes to show you that people either don't CARE about this law, or (more likely) are oblivious to it.

Someone else mentioned failing to maintain lane discipline in turns as another example of blatant (more often clueless) disregard for existing laws.

Even if they changed the laws to make splitting legal it would be a tough go. Our season is short, people's memories are shorter, and ignorance of the law is as common as understanding of it. There will be people who will change lanes into your path to "teach you a lesson", there will be people who will obliviously change lanes into you (and we know how that'll go) and there will be roadragers on top of it all that could escalate things even more.
 
righttoplay said:
Saw your comment on there, thanks for posting something insightful. I suppose it's easy for people to be keyboard warriors on gtam but when it comes to action they can't be bothered to take a moment and comment.
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In case you didn't notice, the keyboard warriors of GTAM are more of the "I don't like it, or feel comfortable doing it, so you shouldn't either" variety. You probably don't want them commenting anyway lol
 
Neil_V said:
In case you didn't notice, the keyboard warriors of GTAM are more of the "I don't like it, or feel comfortable doing it, so you shouldn't either" variety. You probably don't want them commenting anyway lol
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Isn't that the truth ... the concerned citizens of GTAM, looking after well being of us all.
 
Neil_V said:
In case you didn't notice, the keyboard warriors of GTAM are more of the "I don't like it, or feel comfortable doing it, so you shouldn't either" variety. You probably don't want them commenting anyway lol
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mxs said:
Isn't that the truth ... the concerned citizens of GTAM, looking after well being of us all.
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Do you use a seatbelt?

As Nobie mentioned, why give up revenue source.
 
I meant it isn't legal here.

Regardless I don't support it and for the record I'm not concerned at all with you. Only persons actions I can control are my own, you can do whatever the hell you want. I'm really not trying to keep you safe.
 
With the crappy drivers on the road, as well as the pot holes that we have at the beginning of every season, I can't see lane splitting to be safer in any way in Ontario. Places with warmer climates all year round where lane splitting is legal don't have the crazy bad road conditions we have here and generally have more competent drivers.

I do however support lane filtering (less than a 20km/h speed differential) from a safety standpoint when everyone is moving at a crawl or stopped. Too many people getting rear ended in stop-and-go or stopped at a red light due to the inattentiveness of the driver. If drivers can't see a car stopped in front of them, I doubt they'd see a bike.
 
If you want to convince Wynne that filtering or splitting is "good and safe" show her examples of its widespread use in Europe.

Wynne never saw a European policy she didn't like...
 
Really, like the ones about higher hwy speed limits or advanced public transit?
 
Despite my opinions on splitting, I don't think filtering is that bad of an idea so long as you can get the general motoring public to not go full vigilante traffic cop on the riders who choose to do so.


That's the challenge.
 
-D- said:
Do you use a seatbelt?

As Nobie mentioned, why give up revenue source.
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Two different thoughts there, but on the first, yes I do wear a seatbelt as there is a verifiable increase in collision survivability by doing so. Is there a verifiable decrease in survivability associated with filtering?
 
mxs said:
Really, like the ones about higher hwy speed limits or advanced public transit?
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She's wasting all sorts of billions of public transit; look at all the retarded LRT systems popping up all over the place. As for speed limits, you got me there though that's not the sort of thing I had in mind.

Anything European that allegedly:

- helps the environment
- removes congestion
- increases safety for <insert group here>
- etc...

is, I feel, generally something she's more willing to look at instead of a study coming out of the US, even liberal California...
 
There is NO way that rider should have ever gotten hit. Had he/she been attentive, they had PLENTY of escape options, left tons of room to the front to escape, simply didn't watch their mirrors and when they heard squealing tires turned around rather than get out of the way.

As for the discussed topic, could care less if lane filtering or splitting were made legal wouldn't affect how I would ride, (wouldn't do it), don't care if someone else does it, (once it it legalized), as long as they accept the increased insurance premiums that our GREAT insurers are surely to pass along with the legalization of it.

I find most "arguments" for "safety reasons" IE lane splitting/filtering, loud pipes, et al, can be over come or dramatically decreased by rider better ability. A rider who is a competent and skilled rider, generally can avoid "most" issues where those things develop into being an issue.

Motorcycle Mike said:
Every time there is a thread about lane splitting and filtering, I can't help but think of this gif:

http://i.imgur.com/RpqkqLX.gifv

Which has come close to happening to me more than once, the only difference is I reacted fast enough to filter up along side the cars in front, and in one case the car I filtered beside was rear ended.

Video in case the gif doesn't work:

[video=youtube;0-uvBvHpXdw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-uvBvHpXdw[/video]
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hedo2002 said:
There is NO way that rider should have ever gotten hit. Had he/she been attentive, they had PLENTY of escape options, left tons of room to the front to escape, simply didn't watch their mirrors and when they heard squealing tires turned around rather than get out of the way.

As for the discussed topic, could care less if lane filtering or splitting were made legal wouldn't affect how I would ride, (wouldn't do it), don't care if someone else does it, (once it it legalized), as long as they accept the increased insurance premiums that our GREAT insurers are surely to pass along with the legalization of it.

I find most "arguments" for "safety reasons" IE lane splitting/filtering, loud pipes, et al, can be over come or dramatically decreased by rider better ability. A rider who is a competent and skilled rider, generally can avoid "most" issues where those things develop into being an issue.
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So insightful! I have to ask, why didn't you just duck or swerve when that bird crossed your path; plenty of options for competent riders...

Yeah I'm being facetious and a bit of an *******, but seriously.
 
Fact is nobody here really knows what the results of allowing lane-splitting would be. The suggestion to the legislature is that they try a pilot program for one year to see if it is safer. Speculating that there would be endless carnage, vigilante attacks on splitters by ragers, and Ontarians are just too dumb won't get you to the truth and it's completely unscientific. The only way to find out if it is safer is to try it out. I'm guessing that with a PR campaign there would be no change in fatalities at all. I think that's evident in the California study too. For the most part, I think the guys here are just too chicken to do it, so they don't want anyone else doing it.
 
And in this case there are studies that indicate filtering/splitting is safer... and multiple jurisdictions that allow it around the world. I don't know why fellow riders get all defensive when filtering and splitting is suggested.

Personally, when I lived in an area I could filter/split, I almost never lane split, but I filtered at every single intersection... I saw no reason to put myself at risk of being rear ended when I could simply ride up to the front protecting my back end (and least monitored end) and easily out accelerate all the cars from the intersection while I am at it.
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