You want me to lie to you?
Go ahead. Say, "Wrist slap and a fine, that's smaller than what they took in over the course of a week."
You want me to lie to you?
Go ahead. Say, "Wrist slap and a fine, that's smaller than what they took in over the course of a week."
what is dictated by professional ethics, and what is dictated by his employers is not necessarily the same thing, are they?
and who is it exactly that decides what 'his job' is?
yes, his duty is to the corporation. and clearly, the 'board of directors' supported/rubberstamped black's shenanigans. so
so his choice was either to do what black told him to do, or quit?
how easy a choice is that? what would you have done if you were in his shoes? as the courts have apparently determined, he was given a string of questionable duties, some that were on the line and some over it. and now those courts have removed any culpability on kipnis' part for black's transgressions.
I don't know what you are arguing with
There are a multitude of choices, of which quitting is one of them, as already stated.
Like I said, I just gave a lecture on this (ethical issues for in-house counsel - and my course was accredited by the law society).
All a court said was he isn't a criminal, he was still disbarred.
I don't know what you are arguing with, thats just the facts.
I have also quit 2 jobs based on ethical issues before (one is law society rules based and the other was just conscience based), so yeah its clear what I would have done. Nice try on that one though.
yes, he is still disbarred, although i understand he now going through the process of getting his license back, since his exonerration.
Given the situation they are both not required to, and unlikely to, restore him at the bar. If I recall correctly he didn't contest the disbarment, in the first place.
They'll be fined, a letter will go to their respective colleges. They won't pay the fine, they'll claim bankruptcy, and the clinic will close. They'll open a new one in the same spot with a different name, They'll work at the clinic instead of owning in. A buddy of theirs will take over and the cycle will continue.
regardless of his current status, his life was ruined by black, and he didn't profit from the deals other than keeping his job. you seem to think it was an easy decision for him to walk away. contesting the disbarment at the time was probably not first of mind, since for as long as his convictions held, he knew he had no chance.
His life was ruined by his decisions and associations.
Here's an important piece of information, that you should take to heart and remember for your lifetime: Life is full of tough decisions, or rather decisions that have an easy and a hard way to resolve the situation. If you take the easy route, your whole life, then it'll eventually come back and bite you. The RIGHT path is most often the one you least want to follow.
well, thanks for being honest about it. . .that post says volumes about you. . .It was meant to be patronizing, so I guess I succeeded.
well, thanks for being honest about it. . .that post says volumes about you. . .
how easy a choice is that? what would you have done if you were in his shoes?
His life was ruined by his decisions and associations.
On this topic. I thought the above comment was rather patronizing and insulting.
so within the context of the entire post--not just the snippet you quoted--you felt my question was patronizing?
nope, that would have been an erroneous conclusion. it was a legitimate question on my part, i actually wanted to know. unlike rob's point, which he freely admitted was patronizing.
legitmate to who?
Its rude, and insulting to people that take the responsibilities of the profession seriously.