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One insurance fraudster down, few hundred to go...
- Thread starter dr_sarcasm
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if you weren't lying, then you are just ignorant of the actual charges that black was convicted of. fair enough.
cast not the first stone and life gets a lot simpler. . .if you are mature enough to do that (probably not, as your posts consistently attest).
I meant I wasn't lying about the insults you mentioned. I mentioned obstruction but missed mail fraud..woopty doo , do you really want my life to be any simpler? Thanks!.....what's your definition of rich , you didn't say.
pfft, whatever. your insults were worth the thought that you put into them. . .nothing, and meant about as much to me. it was the admin team that insisted that infractions had to be handed out for that thread.
rich people don't need to try to brag about themselves on internet forums, as though it will actually impress anyone. let's start with that one. they also don't cyberstalk people they disagree with on the internet, like a petulant and creepy adolescent. that also doesn't impress people.
Of course it bothered you or you wouldn't keep engaging me. You almost have Stockholm syndrome..You dont know any rich people do you. Start on www.lambopower.com. Some of the richest are the biggest braggars. You would enjoy arguing on there. Could you point out where I was bragging by the way? And when are we going for a ride?
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+1, agreed.
The Sri Lankan guy did things that effected the pocketbooks of every Ontario citizen and resulted in serious brain injuries, for at least one of his co-conspirators, that will likely result in additional significant ongoing costs to the health care system.
As far as Black in concerned I've already stated that there should be consequences to abandoning his Canadian citizenship, for craven gain.
As to Kipnis, who do you think was advising these "criminals" of yours? He was the house lawyer for Hollinger. His issues fall under the, "Lay down with dogs, wake with fleas" principle. He made money for what he did, whether or not he benefited from those transfers.
no question the sri lankan fraudster was a d-bag. never questioned that. but he's one of ours now, and as you know, there are plenty of far worse canadian citizens out there. calling for his 'deportation' when we are putting out the red carpet for a convicted british citizen is far worse. we should be deporting him first, especially since he's NOT one of ours now.
if you consider my claim that stealing millions from hollinger shareholders and precipitating the subsequent collapse of the company thus affecting not just kipnis' life but many others to be an overstatement, then your suggestion that it affected the pocketbooks of every ontario citizen is also exaggerated, unless a connection between his cases and every one of the possible underwriters operating in ontario could be established, no? i guess we're going to have to agree to disagree on that one.
so you think kipnis was the architect of his own downfall, eh? i guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that one too. although under the law, he was deemed less culpable by the original trial judge, and then not culpable whatsoever by the same court that overturned two of black's convictions. thus, he no longer can be considered a criminal, and by your own words should be considered collateral damage from black's actions.
anyways, i still stand behind my original contention that if we are going to call for a deportation of d-bags, then there's a british convicted criminal that should be given the boot first.
GayManLoveIsOK
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so let me get this straight...this dude defrauds the system of $1.5M, $1.2M of that flows through his bank account...he is ordered to pay back $375K...spend three and a half years in jail...what happened to the other $825K...his jail time equates to $235K per year...ahahahaha...he's making a killing out of defrauding the system...send me to jail if i get to take home $825K...lol
You mistake me for a Black supporter. I don't thin that he should have been let back in. He, at least, started as a Canadian though.
As far as Kipnis goes yes, he was the architect of his own downfall. At any point he could have walked away but instead he retained his position as Counsel, advising those you so decry. He was disbarred and I can find no record of him being reinstated.
I don't know that anything has been put forth to show that Thirunavukkarasu is, in fact, a Canadian citizen. You are presuming it, based on long time residency, though I have met dozens of people, who have been in this country longer, and have never seen the need to acquire citizenship.
If he is a citizen then he needs to serve some time.
If he isn't a citizen then he needs to serve some time, after which he needs to be put on a plane.
ABadjusterrider_5
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Chances are, some if not most, of that 825k flowed down the line to other scammers who were involved. He probably didn't pocket all of it.
OpenGambit
Banned
I just gave a CLE session on this, in house counsel are in a tough spot ethically, there are steps that should be taken when faced with ethical issues, the most drastic of which is to quit.
Sucks but thats just the way it is.
so when is lord crossharbour going to be put on a plane?
and starting as a canadian citizen (and then renouncing it) would confer greater rights than someone who actually is a citizen?
kipnis is not a criminal, so under the terms you defined, he qualifies as a life ruined by black's crimes. you just admitted he lost his career for simply following black's instructions and doing his job. none of kipnis' actions are now viewed as criminal.
for the record, the person who suffered brain damage in the sri lankan case was a co-conspirator, who by your definition, got what was coming to him, right?
OpenGambit
Banned
No. he wasn't. as in house counsel his duty is to the Corporation itself. He aided Black in breaching his fidicuary duty, and was most certainly not "doing his job".
Elect me as Prime Minister and he'll be on a plane tomorrow. Other than that, I can't help you.
Where Kipnis is concerned, OpenGambit said it. I said it. Accept it. You cannot counsel illegal acts, nor stand idly by while they're being countenanced, in such a position. Believe it or not, there are ethics that lawyers must abide by.
Reread my comment about the co-conspirator. Hopefully you'll understand it, upon review.
what is dictated by professional ethics, and what is dictated by his employers is not necessarily the same thing, are they?
and who is it exactly that decides what 'his job' is?
yes, his duty is to the corporation. and clearly, the 'board of directors' supported/rubberstamped black's shenanigans. so
so his choice was either to do what black told him to do, or quit?
how easy a choice is that? what would you have done if you were in his shoes? as the courts have apparently determined, he was given a string of questionable duties, some that were on the line and some over it. and now those courts have removed any culpability on kipnis' part for black's transgressions.
ABadjusterrider_5
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[h=1]Rehabilitation Clinics and Clinic Owners and Directors Face 15 Charges Related to Submitting False Invoices to Insurers for Payment [/h]Top HTML Content
[h=2]May 25, 2012 [/h]
The Financial Services Commission of Ontario (FSCO) has charged five rehabilitation clinics and 10 individuals affiliated with these clinics with offences under Ontario’s Insurance Act.
The following clinics were charged with one count each of knowingly making false or misleading statements to an auto insurer to obtain payment for goods or services provided to an insured and engaging in an unfair or deceptive act or practice:
FSCO investigates allegations of misconduct, unfair practices and non-compliance with legislation or regulations in its regulated sectors. If warranted, FSCO takes enforcement action, such as initiating a prosecution.
FSCO is an agency of the Ministry of Finance established under the Financial Services Commission of Ontario Act, 1997. It regulates insurance, pension plans, loan and trust companies, credit unions and caisses populaires, co-operative corporations and mortgage brokerages and administrators in Ontario.
[h=2]May 25, 2012 [/h]
The Financial Services Commission of Ontario (FSCO) has charged five rehabilitation clinics and 10 individuals affiliated with these clinics with offences under Ontario’s Insurance Act.
The following clinics were charged with one count each of knowingly making false or misleading statements to an auto insurer to obtain payment for goods or services provided to an insured and engaging in an unfair or deceptive act or practice:
- Professional Medexam Management Inc. (2414 Major MacKenzie Drive, Maple ON)
- Assessment Direct Inc. (2888 Bathurst St., Toronto ON)
- Century Diagnostics Inc. (37 Kodiak Crescent, Toronto ON)
- Evident Diagnostics Inc. (160 East Beaver Creek, Richmond Hill ON)
- Supermed Rehabilitation Centre Inc. (7777 Kipling Avenue, Woodbridge ON)
- Mark Zinger
- Yan Krivoruk
- Alex Smolar
- Paul Benchetrit
- Pavlo Tsysar
- Ivan Terziev
- Vladimir Naidenov
- Alla Pechenik
- Eugene Gurevich
- Valeri Znamenski
FSCO investigates allegations of misconduct, unfair practices and non-compliance with legislation or regulations in its regulated sectors. If warranted, FSCO takes enforcement action, such as initiating a prosecution.
FSCO is an agency of the Ministry of Finance established under the Financial Services Commission of Ontario Act, 1997. It regulates insurance, pension plans, loan and trust companies, credit unions and caisses populaires, co-operative corporations and mortgage brokerages and administrators in Ontario.
^ Nice. Although I wonder if these types of charges will really amount to much, or if these clinics/individuals will go right on defrauding the system. Any chance anyone is actually going to do any real time?
The person in question has the choice of whether to follow direction, or maintain the ethics required by the profession. Choice.
Having been in similar position, I refused. I gave the employer the choice of continuing with the proposed actions and firing me, or changing direction. I was still employed, the following day.
And that was without having strict moral guidelines in my profession.
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ABadjusterrider_5
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You want me to lie to you?
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