Olympics

[killvino]

I want a third olympics….juice up as much as your body can handle. No hiding, no lying….just straight up put as much roids or whatever you can handle and see the difference from ‘clean’ athletes.

@GreyGhost i heard on the radio recently that Melbourne was selected as the host of 203X Olympic a as a single contender. Maybe they’re removing the hassle and cost of cities bidding against one another. I hope Toronto never gets the games.

this would make a level playing field. i'm sure there's still those cheating getting around the rules using something.
everyone thinks steroids instantly makes you better with no effort, but it still takes time and effort same as without.
there's a whole division of powerlifting which allows PED (steroid) use, it still works like any other sport.

 

[nobbie48]

Renee Richards nee Richard Raskind, Tennis Pro. She was competitive but not mind mindbogglingly so.

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"Richards has since expressed ambivalence about her legacy, and came to believe her past as a man provided her with advantages over her competitors, saying "Having lived for the past 30 years, I know if I'd had surgery at the age of 22, and then at 24 went on the tour, no genetic woman in the world would have been able to come close to me. And so I've reconsidered my opinion

 

[Baggsy]

Renee Richards nee Richard Raskind, Tennis Pro. She was competitive but not mind mindbogglingly so.

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"Richards has since expressed ambivalence about her legacy, and came to believe her past as a man provided her with advantages over her competitors, saying "Having lived for the past 30 years, I know if I'd had surgery at the age of 22, and then at 24 went on the tour, no genetic woman in the world would have been able to come close to me. And so I've reconsidered my opinion

They didn't let her play until she was too old. If Renee had had surgery at 22, and was allowed to compete at 27 or 28, would that been fair?

 

[nobbie48]

They didn't let her play until she was too old. If Renee had had surgery at 22, and was allowed to compete at 27 or 28, would that been fair?

She implies she would have owned the courts at 24. How long does it take to equalize?

Timing is everything in sports. Too long a break and you get rusty. Too short and you're tired. Miss an Olympic event due to a mishap and you are too old for the next one.

 

[killvino]

Laurel Hubbard will be one to watch. She's already been dominating weightlifting outside of Olympics. Going into the games at 43 this year, maybe one of the oldest competitors. Transitioned well after peak.
She's strong and no doubt still works just as hard as everyone else. Just sucks but in the end, she has a physiological unfair advantage over her competition.

Not sure of a lot of other trans m2f competing this year. There is a reserve BMXer and a rugby player that I heard of.

 

[jc100]

I don’t know about you guys but I’ve been on the edge of my seat watching the dressage events.

I don’t think I have any nails left.

 

[nobbie48]

Going wider than the Olympics, is there rational in all sports being gender related? In most ball sports I was under the impression that the little guys and gals get categorized by age. Some four year olds are a lot bigger than others.

Is a 5 year old girl weighing the same as a 5 year old boy at a significant advantage or disadvantage in the game? At what age does the criteria get based on whether they wear a bra or a jock strap?

We can change our gender attachments to a degree but, except for proper nourishment, our bone structure is pretty much fixed. If we're looking for gender equality do we need a handicap system? Short legged athletes run a shorter lap and get ramps for the high jumps.

Whatever happened to people playing sports instead of only watching them on TV?

Personally I'd rather watch little leagues at the park than the Olympics.

 

[Dimitri]

Also, by allowing this to happen, there is very little to stop someone from identifying as a woman to crush the competition.

You have to appreciate how exceedingly rare it is for someone to transition and still remain active in sports. Let alone treating it like a light switch. If you are transitioning hormonally for 4 years, like the IOC wants and most sport bodies want, by the time you "detransitioned" you'd need a mastectomy.

The reality is for most men transitioning from male to female since Renée Richards, they have stayed in the same rankings. If they were 20th in mens, they were 20th in womens after transitioning.

There is a New Zealand or Australian (somewhere down there) weight lifter, that when she was a he, was a mediocre at best lifter.
Now that he is a she, she is setting records, BIG TIME.

Laurel Hubbard, 20 years ago was setting junior records as a man, and now, ranks 7th world wide as a women. And has been on hormone suppressors and estrogen for 9 years.

Li Wenwen is likely going to get gold, and Laurel is likely to get a participation medal for all her trouble.

 

[jc100]

Ok..back to my bugbear…

If dressage is an Olympic event why isn’t dog agility?

What about seal training in the Olympic pool?

 

[GreyGhost]

Ok..back to my bugbear…

If dressage is an Olympic event why isn’t dog agility?

What about seal training in the Olympic pool?

I would say money, but lots of dog people have money too. Tornado got kicked out as a sailboat as the cost of fielding a competitive boat was increasing exponentially. I can't imagine training a dressage horse and flying it around the world is cheaper. I really have no idea how/why IOC decides what is in or out. It really is a crapshoot and it is hard to distinguish some events they don't allow in from some that they do.

 

[jc100]

I would say money, but lots of dog people have money too. Tornado got kicked out as a sailboat as the cost of fielding a competitive boat was increasing exponentially. I can't imagine training a dressage horse and flying it around the world is cheaper. I really have no idea how/why IOC decides what is in or out. It really is a crapshoot and it is hard to distinguish some events they don't allow in from some that they do.

It has to be money. My own personal opinion is that some rich toffs wanted to be able to compete in the olympics and so this event got thrown in. The only reason why it’s more accepted than others is likely the original olympics aims of promoting warrior disciplines and this one may loosely fall under “cavalry”.

 

[Dimitri]

It has to be money. My own personal opinion is that some rich toffs wanted to be able to compete in the olympics and so this event got thrown in.

It was for money in a sense. The monarchs of Europe wanted to show off their equerry's who typically took care of the Royal horses for parades.

It wasn't open to civilian competitors until 1952, when they rescinded the rule that you had to be a military officer.

 

[klr_guy]

Biles withdraws from individual all-around final
I feel bad for Simone Biles, but glad she's taking care of herself.

 

[Baggsy]

One year a co-worker was the captain of the Canadian Olympic Bridge team. Another year, a 50 year old fencer made the Olympic team.

If you do well, and sometimes even if you don't, you're set for life.

If you don't do well, you can follow in Paul Henderson's footsteps and make a good living, telling of your experience.

 

[backmarkerducati]

Biles withdraws from individual all-around final
I feel bad for Simone Biles, but glad she's taking care of herself.

Mental health is a serious thing and should be taken care and taken serious like physical health. I feel bad for her but the same as someone that arrived with a physical health problem (known or unknown) that prevented them from competing. Mental strength and focus is obviously a big part of competing at this level.

 

[jc100]

Mental health is a serious thing and should be taken care and taken serious like physical health. I feel bad for her but the same as someone that arrived with a physical health problem (known or unknown) that prevented them from competing. Mental strength and focus is obviously a big part of competing at this level.

I hope it’s a single issue for Biles for this event otherwise she (and others at the peak of professional sports) may have to rethink their choice of career unfortunately. I know that sounds harsh but part and parcel of being at the top of your sport is dealing with other various stressors like performing in international competition and the associated spotlight.

 

[hdsomeday]

Mental health is a serious thing and should be taken care and taken serious like physical health. I feel bad for her but the same as someone that arrived with a physical health problem (known or unknown) that prevented them from competing. Mental strength and focus is obviously a big part of competing at this level.

Just read on BBC that she had the 'twisties'. Good explanation here.....

Simone Biles: What are the twisties in gymnastics?

US gymnast Simone Biles said she was "having a little bit of the twisties".

www.bbc.com

Cant really hurt yourself in golf with the 'yips' but in gymnastics it could be life altering (physically).

 

[klr_guy]

Just read on BBC that she had the 'twisties'. Good explanation here.....

Cant really hurt yourself in golf with the 'yips' but in gymnastics it could be life altering (physically).

Yikes. Thanks for the link.

 

[Dr.Manhattan]

Watched the 3 on 3 basketball yesterday and it was pretty abyssal; I've seen better pick up games at the YMCA. Womens boxing was also pretty sad. Windmilling eachother in the back of the head while clinched up - something I see my 6 year old nephew do. Like it was said previously I don't see the Olympics are the pinnacle of any type of fitness these days. Also a big pet peeve is how Phelps is the most decorated Olympian. Well, thats kinda BS when you can compete in 10 different swimming events to add up those medals. Meanwhile if youre weightliftng or doing high jump thats all you get....once chance to get gold and you're done. If you got a medal for every different weight you snached up it would be equal.

 

[Lyndsay]

Ok..back to my bugbear…

If dressage is an Olympic event why isn’t dog agility?

What about seal training in the Olympic pool?

I agree. Although there is some athleticism needed to stay on the horse. I suggest they split the olympics to one year of events that require judging, and a different year for events that anyone can determine a winner, races, high jump etc. The difference between the men's and women's mat exercises for instance. I swear there's 50 % preening in the women's and if you get that wrong you lose points??!! Unfortunately, many of those judged events are very popular. I hear they're going to add breakdancing in the next olympics. TF?