invictus43
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That mapping also doesn't indicate relative population density so while it may look impressive, it's not entirely clear. Not saying you're wrong, but the map is misleading.
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Occupy Bay street
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That mapping also doesn't indicate relative population density so while it may look impressive, it's not entirely clear. Not saying you're wrong, but the map is misleading.
Sure complain and watch life go by. Everyone can do something to improve their situation
Yup
daught
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Just a little further back you had a single income family able to pay that. Why do we have to work harder? For who? Just because some loaded prick can't be happy without MORE money?
Not if the playing field is tilted, they can't.
That's a little dramatic and untrue. Worst case we have social safety nets and laws that are enforced
Tilted how? To affirmative action, gender bias and hiring quotas? Or?
Just a little further back you had a single income family able to pay that. Why do we have to work harder? For who? Just because some loaded prick can't be happy without MORE money?
No because the single income family generally doesn't live in their means. Big house, 2 cars, big tv, private school. New toys all the time. New clothes for the kids all the time. Man,I didnt grow up poor but I had hand me down clothes, people nowadays are too snobby to even consider that. Live with what you need not what you want and most can get by fine
I don't know, I only have some ideas. But I'm glad I at least got you asking the question.
I don't think anybody knows really, which is why I expect this movement to fizzle out. But one day the profit motive will no longer be the guiding light for everything we do.
Regardless, (even unclear) the MIddle INcome Class shrunk and the Upper Income Class did not.
What is considered middle class in your mind?
You don't know which could mean it isn't tilted. Right?
What is your solution? We take everything and divide it up evenly? What incentive would anyone have to work? How is technology supposed to grow? How is anything supposed to grow?
Sorry, I misunderstood your question.
No, it's tilted in that money has much more say in how things are run than it should. Politicians live and die by funding, not votes. Corporations are too big to let fail. And yes as you say, people get sucked in by the aura of wealth and try to emulate it for themselves. I mean "money = happiness" is so laughable yet it spawned an actual discussion. On GTAM no less!
I read a guy on another site ask "I thought the gov'ts job was to encourage business". Seriously, people have no idea about democracy and the purpose of government. We are losing our moral values and substituting the value of the dollar. For example I've also had people say "if they can afford it, they should do it" to just about everything. It's beyond ridiculous in my view.
I'm not asking for a redistribution of wealth, or socialism. Capitalism is great... for trade. That's it. Despite the GDP index, money is not a valid means to measure anyone's success, and certainly not their happiness. I just want the scales rebalanced away from profit as the prime motivator for everything.
My argument is based on that one pretty graph. So what I consider middle class does not fall into it.
If you ask me, perhaps a dual income family with a household income totaling ~100k.
Well said. I still like profit. It allows me to take care of my employees, friends and family when they need it
Or the dummies taking mortgages and loans they couldn't afford?
Then in your example the middle class is alive and well
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