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Noise restrictions bylaw coming for Oakville
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Re: Oakville bike noise bylaw warning
At what disance from the exhaust and what angle was the meter held?
At what disance from the exhaust and what angle was the meter held?
Re: Oakville bike noise bylaw warning
I forget exactly, but it was around 1.5-2 ft, and the angle was 0-15 degrees I believe
I forget exactly, but it was around 1.5-2 ft, and the angle was 0-15 degrees I believe
Re: Oakville bike noise bylaw warning
I would argue the important thing was finding out that I have nothing to worry about. That being said, I'll be sure to take notes next time just for you
I would argue the important thing was finding out that I have nothing to worry about. That being said, I'll be sure to take notes next time just for you
Re: Oakville bike noise bylaw warning
They said that there would be a piece of cardboard that would basically map out the proper angle and distance for the testing device. Also for today they were holding the device in hand but the actual test would be on a tripod.
The road side stops would be set up similar to a seatbelt check and all bikes through it would be tested at idle for 92db. If you are close they may use the next part of the test depending on motor type. The testing guy was saying that anything below 93db would be a pass so 92.9 is a pass. And the cop said that they will have some leeway if you are a bit over and not an *** to them. He also said that if you get a ticket they will not make you tow the bike but you could get caught again on the same trip at $400 a pop.
They were measuring at 50cm at I think 45 degrees.
They said that there would be a piece of cardboard that would basically map out the proper angle and distance for the testing device. Also for today they were holding the device in hand but the actual test would be on a tripod.
The road side stops would be set up similar to a seatbelt check and all bikes through it would be tested at idle for 92db. If you are close they may use the next part of the test depending on motor type. The testing guy was saying that anything below 93db would be a pass so 92.9 is a pass. And the cop said that they will have some leeway if you are a bit over and not an *** to them. He also said that if you get a ticket they will not make you tow the bike but you could get caught again on the same trip at $400 a pop.
They were measuring at 50cm at I think 45 degrees.
Re: Oakville bike noise bylaw warning
On his 8th post krazyearl got the facts.
Good job.
tricky, if you're going to post a report. We're gonna ask questions.
On his 8th post krazyearl got the facts.
Good job.
tricky, if you're going to post a report. We're gonna ask questions.
Re: Oakville bike noise bylaw warning
just last Saturday in Calgary they were running the test and over half failed registering over 96 db. Most of which were motorcycles including one motorcycle registering 122 db. Out of 205 vehicles tested, "Of the vehicles that measured over the limit, 90 were motorbikes, 15 were cars and three were trucks."
"Among the loudest bikes were Floyd and Anne Desrosier’s 800CC Suzuki C50s, which measured 108 and 101 decibels respectively."
http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/c...se+snare+with+video+photos/6685417/story.html
http://www.calgarysun.com/2012/05/26/calgary-brings-the-noise-for-enforcement-test
just last Saturday in Calgary they were running the test and over half failed registering over 96 db. Most of which were motorcycles including one motorcycle registering 122 db. Out of 205 vehicles tested, "Of the vehicles that measured over the limit, 90 were motorbikes, 15 were cars and three were trucks."
"Among the loudest bikes were Floyd and Anne Desrosier’s 800CC Suzuki C50s, which measured 108 and 101 decibels respectively."
http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/c...se+snare+with+video+photos/6685417/story.html
http://www.calgarysun.com/2012/05/26/calgary-brings-the-noise-for-enforcement-test
Splash
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Re: Oakville bike noise bylaw warning
That's the stupidest thing I've heard in a long time... how can they claim that's accurate? Off camera there could be a OCC chopper going by or a 18 year old with 1000 watt stereo playing Nicki Minaj.
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“The noise snare technology works much like photo radar does,”
Bruce said. “We’re not required to stop the vehicle. It
records an offence as it goes by.”That's the stupidest thing I've heard in a long time... how can they claim that's accurate? Off camera there could be a OCC chopper going by or a 18 year old with 1000 watt stereo playing Nicki Minaj.
Re: Oakville bike noise bylaw warning
No control of testing criteria. No control of ambient noise levels. No chance that this stands up against a concerted effort to strike it down.
No control of testing criteria. No control of ambient noise levels. No chance that this stands up against a concerted effort to strike it down.
Re: Oakville bike noise bylaw warning
I have no doubt my bike would easily produce 100 dB while moving (maybe 4-5000 RPM?), but Oakville are only interested with the idle noise level (which I'm not sure is exactly a good indicator of the amount of noise your bike makes on the move...). For mine to come in at 83 dB, that would mean the noise from pipes breaking the bylaw would be almost 10 times as powerful
you speak the truth, my apologies
I have no doubt my bike would easily produce 100 dB while moving (maybe 4-5000 RPM?), but Oakville are only interested with the idle noise level (which I'm not sure is exactly a good indicator of the amount of noise your bike makes on the move...). For mine to come in at 83 dB, that would mean the noise from pipes breaking the bylaw would be almost 10 times as powerful
you speak the truth, my apologies
Weatherbee
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Re: Oakville bike noise bylaw warning
I had my 04 VFR800 tested with a full staintune setup and PC3, was well under at idle and at 5000rpm. Had to laugh at the stock Goldwing that failed to register above ambient noise (77dBa). I wouldn't worry excessively about this by-law in either municipality, the cops seem to have taken the approach that 'the nail that sticks out gets hammered'. Ride with louder bikes, you should be ok if your bike is close to the limit.
I had my 04 VFR800 tested with a full staintune setup and PC3, was well under at idle and at 5000rpm. Had to laugh at the stock Goldwing that failed to register above ambient noise (77dBa). I wouldn't worry excessively about this by-law in either municipality, the cops seem to have taken the approach that 'the nail that sticks out gets hammered'. Ride with louder bikes, you should be ok if your bike is close to the limit.
Re: Oakville bike noise bylaw warning
I've listed my impressions of the noise test in this thread, but I'll repeat them here in order to reach a wider audience:
I expected to be somewhere near the limit since my 10 year old Yoshi RS3 was never repacked. I was pleasantly surprised to find out it's way below the limit - just 85db at idle (limit is 92). To avoid any doubt, also tested at 2,000rpm (88db) and 5,000rpm (98db), both well below the limits.
They tested about a hundred bikes, all with aftermarket exhausts. Less than five failed while I was there, and all of those were V twin cruisers with straight pipes and no baffles whatsoever. One clocked 99db at idle, and that's damn loud and obnoxious. I wish they could test it at 2,000rpm...
All in all, it's pretty hard to fail this noise standard, so I think 99% of people with brand name aftermarket pipes will be safe. All bets are off when we are talking about cruisers...
- Distance from the tip of the exhaust: 50cm
- Angle relative to the bike vertical plane, 45 degrees.
- Height of the micropone the same as the tip of the exhaust.
There were not many people that tested at 2,000rpm and I think I was the only one that tested at 5,000rpm. The chances that you'll pass the idle test and fail 2K and/or 5K tests are quite slim, although I've seen one cruiser pass at idle by a fair margin but fail miserably at 2K. He had straight pipes with a rasp type baffle (no glass pack or steel wool).
BTW, the device they will use to measure rpm is described here. They were not using it at this demo test.
The two bylaw officers and a police officer were very helpful and explained a lot about how/when this bylaw will be enforced. It will be similar to spot safety checks on 400 in the summer. Cops will pull the suspects over to a designated area where trained bylaw officers will perform the test. They can test you at 2k and 5k if they choose to do so. There will be very little doubt as of whether the test was performed according to standards, so I wouldn't count on being able to fight those tickets in court successfully.
I also heard some interesting stories about who/why was pushing for it...
I've listed my impressions of the noise test in this thread, but I'll repeat them here in order to reach a wider audience:
I expected to be somewhere near the limit since my 10 year old Yoshi RS3 was never repacked. I was pleasantly surprised to find out it's way below the limit - just 85db at idle (limit is 92). To avoid any doubt, also tested at 2,000rpm (88db) and 5,000rpm (98db), both well below the limits.
They tested about a hundred bikes, all with aftermarket exhausts. Less than five failed while I was there, and all of those were V twin cruisers with straight pipes and no baffles whatsoever. One clocked 99db at idle, and that's damn loud and obnoxious. I wish they could test it at 2,000rpm...
All in all, it's pretty hard to fail this noise standard, so I think 99% of people with brand name aftermarket pipes will be safe. All bets are off when we are talking about cruisers...
- Distance from the tip of the exhaust: 50cm
- Angle relative to the bike vertical plane, 45 degrees.
- Height of the micropone the same as the tip of the exhaust.
There were not many people that tested at 2,000rpm and I think I was the only one that tested at 5,000rpm. The chances that you'll pass the idle test and fail 2K and/or 5K tests are quite slim, although I've seen one cruiser pass at idle by a fair margin but fail miserably at 2K. He had straight pipes with a rasp type baffle (no glass pack or steel wool).
BTW, the device they will use to measure rpm is described here. They were not using it at this demo test.
The two bylaw officers and a police officer were very helpful and explained a lot about how/when this bylaw will be enforced. It will be similar to spot safety checks on 400 in the summer. Cops will pull the suspects over to a designated area where trained bylaw officers will perform the test. They can test you at 2k and 5k if they choose to do so. There will be very little doubt as of whether the test was performed according to standards, so I wouldn't count on being able to fight those tickets in court successfully.
I also heard some interesting stories about who/why was pushing for it...
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Splash
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Re: Oakville bike noise bylaw warning
Here's the pocket size RPM meter (proper name is Treysit Sirometer or Vibratach)
Here's how to use it
Here it is working
How to perform a SAE J2825 test. Notice he has the plastic tach in his hand.
[video=youtube;2KdYUhH3JSo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2KdYUhH3JSo#![/video]
Here's the pocket size RPM meter (proper name is Treysit Sirometer or Vibratach)
Here's how to use it
Here it is working
How to perform a SAE J2825 test. Notice he has the plastic tach in his hand.
[video=youtube;2KdYUhH3JSo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2KdYUhH3JSo#![/video]
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rbjeepthing
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Re: Oakville bike noise bylaw warning
Well it's pretty simple in my opinion what to do and that is Avoid Oakville at all costs and not spend any money there. I would likely pass the test but it's all about principles.
Well it's pretty simple in my opinion what to do and that is Avoid Oakville at all costs and not spend any money there. I would likely pass the test but it's all about principles.
Re: Oakville bike noise bylaw warning
Indeed it is. It's about being a responsible citizen and not going out to generally honk people off, for no good reason.
Indeed it is. It's about being a responsible citizen and not going out to generally honk people off, for no good reason.
Re: Oakville bike noise bylaw warning
I've heard that those who pushed for this bylaw are some developers that built townhouses / row houses across from the Tim Hortons frequented by Oakville riders. They can't sell the houses because of the constant noise and they are pi$$ed. I also heard that area is not residential and that Tims used to be a gas station.
Take it for what it's worth. I'm just repeating some rumors I heard yesterday...
Again, regardless of my general opposition to laws like that I can tell you that you are certifiably obnoxious and should be fined if your bike fails this test. I'm sure all that were there yesterday will agree with me.
I've heard that those who pushed for this bylaw are some developers that built townhouses / row houses across from the Tim Hortons frequented by Oakville riders. They can't sell the houses because of the constant noise and they are pi$$ed. I also heard that area is not residential and that Tims used to be a gas station.
Take it for what it's worth. I'm just repeating some rumors I heard yesterday...
Again, regardless of my general opposition to laws like that I can tell you that you are certifiably obnoxious and should be fined if your bike fails this test. I'm sure all that were there yesterday will agree with me.
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theprocess
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Re: Oakville bike noise bylaw warning
Ducati Monster 696 with Termi slip-on kit (mufflers, ecu and air filter) - 85dBA at idle and 91dBA at 2,000rpm, well below limits of 92dBA and 96dBA.
Ducati Monster 696 with Termi slip-on kit (mufflers, ecu and air filter) - 85dBA at idle and 91dBA at 2,000rpm, well below limits of 92dBA and 96dBA.
vdubblues
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Re: Oakville bike noise bylaw warning
That bike was a work of art. Notice the lack of levers?
That bike was a work of art. Notice the lack of levers?
:agave:Why is there continued talk of making all these new local municipality bylaws re excessive noise. Transport Canada already has regulations on allowable noise from ALL vehicle types. In the case of motorcycles, they have three separate decibel limits that are dependant on the bike's motor size or cc's displacement. Anybody that removes baffels or installs dragster or performance pipes should run thhe risk of being fined. So what is those lengthy chromed moster pipes are tested out illegal. They can't change the fact that 90 decibel plus noise can ruin a body's ears. Don't be stupid.
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