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No charges warranted in fatal motorcycle crash involving Toronto police cruiser: SIU

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GMAN said:
So you think the SIU are the friends of the police? It’s the opposite. If there had been the slightest evidence of a criminal offence the officer would have been charged.
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You're not being serious I hope.:rolleyes:
 
Unless you have first hand experience with the SIU coupled with several years as an investigator yourself... You're opinion, is only worth the time you spent trying to get it in line with whatever confirmation bias you hold, either for or against the SIU.

Many people have zero grasp of what exactly the SIU mandate is or how they operate.
 
the vast majority of the SIU are ex cops.

I would like to know how the motorcyclist was confirmed as entering the intersection on a red?

what is the "proof" ? - the involved officers statement? or a camera? lets see and hear it. Are they not saying anything until they "build" their case?

this stinks bad...

As for no caharges being warranted - statements by the SIU themselves, stated that the officer involved made an illegal left turn. CHARGE the officer then ! wtf
 
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Yep
Just because you're paranoid; doesn't mean they're NOT out to get you.

I have a friend that has worked for the SIU for 22 years, and my brother consulted with them a number of times. (AFIK all the SIU investigators are cops or ex-cops)
The SIU takes GREAT pride in charging police officers with crimes. that's their job.

In this case, the cop got no CRIMINAL charges, but when this case comes up in CIVIL court, the city of Toronto will be paying out millions.
If you or I got into the same collision, you or I would probably NOT get charged with anything CRIMINAL. What CRIMINAL charge do you guys want the cop to be charged with?
Dangerous operation of a motor vehicle? The bike ran a red light.
Criminal negligence causing death? The bike ran a red light.
Criminal charges need MENS REA
 
bitzz said:
Dangerous operation of a motor vehicle? The bike ran a red light.
Criminal negligence causing death? The bike ran a red light.
Criminal charges need MENS REA
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"The Criminal Code somewhat overlaps itself in that there is a specific provision of criminal negligence causing death (s. 220), and a separate provision for manslaughter as a result of "criminal negligence". The sentencing provisions for are also identical in that criminal negligence causing death can result in a maximum of life imprisonment (parole eligibility after 7 years served), and a sentence of a minimum 4 years is required if a gun is involved in the incident."

How do we know the bike ran the red light ? There was no evidence presented for or contrary to that.
All we know (as Joe Public) is that a cop made an illegal left hand turn and someone died.
Dear SIU - more transparency please.
 
History shows the SIU has no interest in laying charges in cases where the cops or any law enforcement are involved.
 
boyoboy said:
I would like to know how the motorcyclist was confirmed as entering the intersection on a red?

what is the "proof" ? - the involved officers statement? or a camera? lets see and hear it. Are they not saying anything until they "build" their case?
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TK4 said:
How do we know the bike ran the red light ? There was no evidence presented for or contrary to that.
All we know (as Joe Public) is that a cop made an illegal left hand turn and someone died.
Dear SIU - more transparency please.
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The article links to the full SIU report, which goes over the evidence they have. Special Investigations Unit -- Director's Report Details, Case Number: 21-TVD-289. Scroll down to "Video/Audio/Photographic Evidence".

They have the cop's dashcam which recorded the whole thing. Attached is the screenshot clearly showing the motorcyclist running the red.

Here's the excerpt from the timeline:

5:33:41 p.m. The SO’s cruiser is well into the intersection when the traffic signal changes to red. The Complainant’s motorcycle appears to be approximately 35 metres from the intersection.
 

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I have ridden on and off for a half Century in the Toronto area and during that time I have been in several accidents - each of which I COULD have prevented. And none of which did I CAUSE. In each case the 4 wheeler was at fault. In each case I was the one injured.

I ride very aggressively now - not dangerously, not carelessly, but aggressively. I have an aggressive Headlight modulator, an over-Wattage Headlight, a Light Bar, and slightly louder pipes. I will also fender surf when in traffic - if you are near me you will know it because I will crowd your front fender to make Damn good and sure that you are fully aware that I am there.

I ride through intersections in the traffic shadow of larger vehicles when I can and use the SMIDSY weave to wake up stunned and vacant Cagers.

This proactive aggression has kept me safe during my Brampton to Mississauga daily commute for years now - IMO one of (if not THE) the most dangerous commutes in the country.

Should I HAVE to do all this? Not according to the rules of the road. But I did have to do it to survive.

IF it is true that the motorcyclist sped through a stale or red light then his was the last action that contributed to the accident that killed him. Should the Cop have made an illegal left turn while illegally on a cell phone? Certainly not. Should he have been held to a higher level of conduct than Joe Public? Most Certainly.

Is life fair? Certainly not for Motorcyclists. It is your choice as a rider: to be dead right, or ready to ride again tomorrow.
 
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caje said:
The article links to the full SIU report, which goes over the evidence they have. Special Investigations Unit -- Director's Report Details, Case Number: 21-TVD-289. Scroll down to "Video/Audio/Photographic Evidence".

They have the cop's dashcam which recorded the whole thing. Attached is the screenshot clearly showing the motorcyclist running the red.

Here's the excerpt from the timeline:

5:33:41 p.m. The SO’s cruiser is well into the intersection when the traffic signal changes to red. The Complainant’s motorcycle appears to be approximately 35 metres from the intersection.
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Thank you for clarifying
 
TK4 said:
Thank you for clarifying
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Question.....would you have started this thread if you had read the linked report in the first place?
 
hdsomeday said:
Question.....would you have started this thread if you had read the linked report in the first place?
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Yes, because I had unanswered questions - how the process works still seemed to me to be cloaked in a certain aura of mystery.
I thank all for their positive comments and criticisms.
 
caje said:
The article links to the full SIU report, which goes over the evidence they have. Special Investigations Unit -- Director's Report Details, Case Number: 21-TVD-289. Scroll down to "Video/Audio/Photographic Evidence".

They have the cop's dashcam which recorded the whole thing. Attached is the screenshot clearly showing the motorcyclist running the red.

Here's the excerpt from the timeline:

5:33:41 p.m. The SO’s cruiser is well into the intersection when the traffic signal changes to red. The Complainant’s motorcycle appears to be approximately 35 metres from the intersection.
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thx caje.
the evidence appears to be cam footage.
I stand corrected.
 
MagnAndy said:
IF it is true that the motorcyclist sped through a stale or red light then his was the last action that contributed to the accident that killed him. Should the Cop have made an illegal left turn while illegally on a cell phone? Certainly not. Should he have been held to a higher level of conduct than Joe Public? Most Certainly.
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RIP rider.

There was another mistake the rider made just before entering the intersection. The report stated that he passed the stationary street car on the curb side. This action hid the police cruiser from his view as he approached the intersection, as well as shadowing himself from the view of the officer executing his manoeuvre. Neither had a chance of seeing the other until it was too late because of that street car.

Always drive like you are invisible to everyone on the road (because you probably are) and that everyone is out to get you.
 
Not too sure how you can "execute due care" while talking on the phone to your girlfriend and making a prohibited turn.
Hello thin blue line
 
You will also notice that the light is red and that pedestrian still hasnt finished crossing preventing the cop from turning (if I remember correctly, the law now states you can't turn until the pedestrian is completely across)
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