I don't get that motor for a full faired bike, its great as a naked city bike but lacks top end that a lot of people are used to on full faired bikes esp track oriented
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New Yamaha R-7
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No way man, I wouldn't touch anything italian not even with a 10-ft-long pole when it comes to motorcycles or vehicles. I would rather buy an Indian Pulsar Bajaj first.
Wyled
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i say the same thing but when I see an MV that logic almost always feels like it could get chucked out the window
The R6 wasn't selling, and neither was anything else in that entire segment - and now, we are witnessing that segment (600cc 4 cylinder sport bikes) go away.
The 4 cylinder 600 class got expensive. It costs the same to manufacture a 600cc 4 cylinder bike as it does to manufacture a 1000cc 4 cylinder bike. The difference in materials cost is insignificant. The parts count is the same. The engineering and tooling costs are the same. The labour costs are the same. But people won't pay litre-bike pricing for one. And they don't sell in large enough numbers to pay for all that - in part because an R6 is not a good street bike. It's uncomfortable. It's got no bottom end grunt. And ... aside from electronic rider-aids and cosmetics ... the segment was stale. A 2020 R6 is for practical purposes the same as a 2006 R6. They were optimised to the point that nothing could be changed. Even if you compared across manufacturers, in every key dimension they were all within millimeters of each other.
This shares practically everything under the skin with the MT/FZ07, and the Tenere 700, and whatever else uses the CP2 engine. Keeps the parts count down. Keeps the engineering cost down. The emissions calibration and certification only has to be done once (to the EPA, they're all the same bike with different clothing). Being a parallel twin, the parts count is lower than that of the R6.
NO it isn't going to be as fast as the R6 was ... but the marketplace has spoken, that isn't what they want. It will be a better street bike ... there's not a lot wrong with the MT/FZ07 to begin with.
As for being a race bike ... The Aprilia RS660 set a target. The R7 isn't going to have as much power (in stock form) ... we know that. We also know that the 600cc production-based roadracing classes, starting with WorldSSP, will be going away in the next couple of years because the manufacturers will stop supporting them, and it's highly likely that it will be replaced with a SuperTwins class of some sort - bigger displacement and more power and faster than WorldSSP300, but lower outright performance than WorldSSP 600 ... there's going to be a much bigger step between this new SuperTwins class and Superbike.
Why not?
BigEvilDoer
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Good leak here.
Leaked: New Yamaha R7 Photos Exposed Prior To May 18 Release - webBikeWorld
Photos of the brand spanking new Yamaha YZF-R7, leaked from a North American source. The photos came just days before the official release date of May 18th.
www.webbikeworld.com
Leaked photos the bike looks great.
My guess it will be hit with the ugly stick when the official release happens tomorrow. Funny nose maybe punched, ridiculously over sized exhaust.
Repost, sheesh!Good leak here.
Leaked: New Yamaha R7 Photos Exposed Prior To May 18 Release - webBikeWorld
Photos of the brand spanking new Yamaha YZF-R7, leaked from a North American source. The photos came just days before the official release date of May 18th.www.webbikeworld.com
Not for me....but this things looks pretty awesome. As a do all sportbike that you could track I am sure it'll do well being a little more comfy than the R6.
Does anyone else think it's weird how the rear brake fluid reservoir is just hanging out in the breeze like that? Apparently the MT-07 already does that so it's not new
agreed. almost de-values the original, unless they are trying to trick people. is there a confirmation that this one comes with mt7 engine or just an assumption. confused about this one? sporbike? sport touring?
It's known from the US EPA filings that it's the same engine as the MT07 (and Tenere 700). The leaked photos indicate that it is mechanically the same bike as the MT07 differing only in suspension and front brakes, and if it's "the same" as the MT07 to the EPA then that means the engine calibration is also going to be the same (i.e. no more power). It is a "mild sportbike" in the same flavour as the R3 (i.e. naked-bike ergonomics dressed in sport-bike clothing).
While I agree that this is no match for the original R7, I am thinking that Yamaha figures that most prospective customers for this new R7 won't even know what the original R7 was. Besides, given how Yamaha's sport-bike nomenclature works nowadays, what else would you call it?
While I agree that this is no match for the original R7, I am thinking that Yamaha figures that most prospective customers for this new R7 won't even know what the original R7 was. Besides, given how Yamaha's sport-bike nomenclature works nowadays, what else would you call it?
i fail to see the confusion, look at the rear sets, the clip on position, the fairings.
Have to disagree, this looks far more aggressive both in looks and seating position then the R3.
Engine will tell the tale, i hope it's bumped up.
Looking closer at it now ... the handlebars indeed look much lower than those on the stock R3 (although they're about where the handlebars are on MY R3).
I'm flipping back and forth between the R7 spy shot and a random photo I found of a MT07 that I found online. Visible differences:
R7 has different footpeg brackets that look like they position the footpegs higher.
The bodywork is entirely different including the seat and the cosmetic cover over the fuel tank.
R7 has much, much lower handlebars than the MT07.
R7 has inverted forks. MT07 has conventional forks.
Pretty sure the brake rotors are bigger diameter.
R7 has radial-mount front brake calipers. MT07 has standard-design calipers.
There is a visible cosmetic difference to the frame. Above the swing-arm pivot and below the seat, that visible near-vertical bit of the frame is not the same shape ... although it could be simply a cosmetic difference.
It is conceivable that they've lifted the basic front-end components from an R6.
Swingarm looks the same. The part of the engine that we can see, looks the same. The part of the exhaust system that we can see, looks the same.
How many people actually used their RR anywhere near its limits? Most lived a life on the street with a lot of posing and the occasional squirt of throttle. Making something that looks fast and isn't painfully slow may be something the market wants.
But that isn't consistent with Yamaha's current nomenclature.
This isn't meant to be comparable in power to the outgoing R6. It's meant to be a better street bike. "Better" doesn't necessarily mean "more power".
The Aprilia RS660 is the target here.
And I am quite sure that Yamaha has been paying attention to the people who have been converting MT07s to roadrace bikes. This will make that a whole lot easier.
Mango Rider
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This did make me think of the "modern/current" FZ6R, in terms of styling but less detuning if it is really just the same MT07 engine. /shrug
Can the factory tune them slightly different to make more top end out if the same engine without infringing on gov standards and whatnot?
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Can the factory tune them slightly different to make more top end out if the same engine without infringing on gov standards and whatnot?
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