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I had the exact same thought also. They will also say it's good for the environment somehow...keeps the car makers afloat?
New safety regulations start July 1st?!?
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I had the exact same thought also. They will also say it's good for the environment somehow...keeps the car makers afloat?
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Unless you can fix them (cheaply) then resell...they will just be scrap metal.
Umm... first of all, minimum standards are why most cars are at least relatively road worthy;
second....
[video=youtube;yElEBkdbQjk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yElEBkdbQjk[/video]
I'm usually a big proponent of safety, being a commercial driver and all and sharing the roads with much of the junk that's out there, but in this case...
I agree. These new rules are overzealous.
Honestly, some of the new stuff is drastic overkill. Non standard tire size? As long as they fit (don't contact fenders or suspension and are attached properly) who cares? Another one that gets me is oil leaks - apparently any leak anywhere that causes even a droplet of oil to form on the bottom of the engine or drivetrain somewhere is now a fail. So, that 5 year old car with a tiny seep on the rear main seal that might drop a single droplet of oil once a week is now a fail, and to replace that rear main seal, worst case scenario, the engine may need to come out.
I think that the fail rate on these new rules is going to be drastic on any car over 3 or 4 years old with repair amounts being out of this world - a lot of cars over 5 years old will border on unsellable once the dollar figures on "fixing" all these new things are suddenly added up. I think you're going to hear a lot of yelling in the coming months as the new reality starts to set in and people realize this. As it stands right now most people are unaware of these changes, and it won't be until the first few weeks pass and people start to complain to the media about their 4 year old $10,000 used car needing $5000 in work to make it pass.
I just bought a new (used) car and got it on the road last week, knowing darned well that if I waited another month I would have ended up having to spend probably $2000-$3000 more to get it certified.
I agree. These new rules are overzealous.
Honestly, some of the new stuff is drastic overkill. Non standard tire size? As long as they fit (don't contact fenders or suspension and are attached properly) who cares? Another one that gets me is oil leaks - apparently any leak anywhere that causes even a droplet of oil to form on the bottom of the engine or drivetrain somewhere is now a fail. So, that 5 year old car with a tiny seep on the rear main seal that might drop a single droplet of oil once a week is now a fail, and to replace that rear main seal, worst case scenario, the engine may need to come out.
I think that the fail rate on these new rules is going to be drastic on any car over 3 or 4 years old with repair amounts being out of this world - a lot of cars over 5 years old will border on unsellable once the dollar figures on "fixing" all these new things are suddenly added up. I think you're going to hear a lot of yelling in the coming months as the new reality starts to set in and people realize this. As it stands right now most people are unaware of these changes, and it won't be until the first few weeks pass and people start to complain to the media about their 4 year old $10,000 used car needing $5000 in work to make it pass.
I just bought a new (used) car and got it on the road last week, knowing darned well that if I waited another month I would have ended up having to spend probably $2000-$3000 more to get it certified.
^^ if this is an accurate representation of our future I might just sell everything I own, move into a dive and ghost the **** out of the rest of my life. Seriously, we have some major issues. How come people aren't shooting politicians? Not that I advocate that of course but why hasn't somebody gone completely apesH!t at city hall?
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Sounds like they are really going after the #stancenation crowd.
Get your car oil sprayed 5 minutes before you bring your car in. Can't find a leak when its everywhere.
Get your car oil sprayed 5 minutes before you bring your car in. Can't find a leak when its everywhere.
Cool video of 500 cars working fine
Wait for it. There is a proposal brewing to sync up mandatory vehicle inspections to occur when etests are required.
Have a nice day.
conspicuously unmodified cars working fine...
Maybe I'm missing something, but didn't this thread start with concerns over modifications to the OP's vehicle which may not allow it to pass safety
Bilstein and Koni are both trusted, reputable manufacturers of suspension components. Properly installed GOOD QUALITY aftermarket suspension components should not be grounds for failure. The problem is when people looking for "stance" start cutting springs and modifying components out of bounds. It remains to be seen how all this is going to be interpreted.
I hate it when government thinks people other than the original vehicle manufacturer can't think for themselves. Just because something didn't come as original equipment to the car doesn't automatically mean it's garbage and should fail inspection. Contrary to what these clowns seem to think, some people actually do put good quality and properly engineered aftermarket parts on their vehicles. My car rides and handles the way it should have from the factory ... before the bean counters went through their cost cutting exercise.
FWIW the Bilstein kit went on mine with around 120,000 km on the car because the OEM front struts were shot, no damping left. It made no sense to pay about the same money for the same cheap OEM parts compared to just buying the complete Bilstein kit. All is well 110,000 km later. If I'd replaced with OEM parts it would probably be coming up on having to replace them again. The Bilstein stuff has a lifetime warrany ...
That's one of the minuscule fraction of cars on the roads that has been unsafely modified. I don't agree with the "stance" thing either.
You just reminded me ... mine also has a leaky oil pan gasket. A little tiny weep, just enough to make the oil pan damp with oil. Right in the bottom corner beside the clutch bell housing where EVERY SINGLE ONE of these engines has an oil weep. It's not enough to add up to any measurable oil consumption, it's just always damp with oil there. Lots and lots of cars have oil pan gaskets that weep a little. For that matter, lots of bikes do, too. My ZX10R has a damp oily spot at the front right of the valve cover gasket ... the same spot where they ALL weep a little bit.
Right now, the general public has zero awareness of what this is going to do. The only people with awareness are repair shops (who will love the extra work and make $$$ from it ... can you say "conflict of interest"), and probably car dealers. New car dealers will love it. Used car dealers, it's hard to say. The bigger and more influential used car dealers prefer to deal with late models anyhow, which won't be as much of an issue, and they'll have their own mechanic to do the inspections (and you can bet your bottom dollar that there will be a double standard - one for vehicles that they are selling themselves and another for walk-in customers who just need an inspection done). From these parties, there probably wouldn't have been much opposition. The general public has no idea what they are in for.
It's all publicly available. Anyway seems a lot of hyper-boil in here so a link to the technician reference provided by the mto seems in order
http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/trucks/pdfs/passenger-light-duty-vehicle-inspection-standard.pdf
Also as an FYI the upcoming changes are highlighted in the most current downloadable version of Reg. 611 which has been available for anyone to download from January of this year
https://www.ontario.ca/laws/regulation/900611
You can't be bothered to educate yourself, don't be bothered to comment on whats right or wrong with the inspection requirements
https://www.ontario.ca/laws/regulation/900611
You can't be bothered to educate yourself, don't be bothered to comment on whats right or wrong with the inspection requirements
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Same as now, basically.
The difference is by the new standards there's a lot more things to check and measurements that need to be recorded - brake friction material thickness, drum/rotor thickness, etc etc...but of course, those are just numbers and probably rather easy to pull out of thin air.
I suspect this will just create an underground economy for fake certifications in the end. Unless the ministry is going to dispatch a new army of inspectors to peoples driveways to confirm that all those new measurements and such are indeed accurate, I suspect for those looking to get around all this new crap there will be ways. Pity the people that buy an older car and then take it to a place like Canadian Tire (ugh) for the certification, however - the bill will be $300 (honestly, this looks like 2 or 3 hours of labor easilly @ $100/hour) BEFORE they even get into the repairs necessary, many of which as discussed here will make the car worthless in the end.
I'm about to sell my old Chevy Aveo which is far from perfect and I'm going to tell the new owner to be sure to get it certified in the next few weeks otherwise, honestly, I don't think it would ever certify under these new rules without spending 3 times the value of the car.
Legitimate concerns for sure. For my part after looking at all the changes I'm only adding a half hour to my standard inspection. We'll be evaluating the actual time it takes on the fly and changing as necessary, but tbh not a whole lot has changed; few things added; a few clarified; a few slightly more stringent; and a whole lot more documentation
