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New Riders...Start with a smaller bike!
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Genesis
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Riceburner
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What's cherry picked?
Genesis
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My views are being misrepresented and distorted in order to fit them into a preconceived mold of a common "newbie".
Intellectually dishonest and a showcase of lacking character.
Little of what you said accurately describes my approach or presentation in this discussion and anyone with an ounce of integrity can see that.
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Genesis
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Well said.. a clear accurate description of what's actually happening here.
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Riceburner
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Dude, you're missing the point. You are in your first season and like every noob that has gone for a "bigger" bike to start, state you are the exception to the rule. You say you have a handle on everything and know what you are doing. You won't be the exception for many years, and if you are, great. All the best to you. You are coming across as arrogant and that's why you are getting heat.
Look there's no sense talking further, Genesis feels that he knows what he's doing better than we do.
He's the exception, that proves the rule.
It's the rider, and had nothing to do with the bike.
When my kids were young, I could just tell them what to do, and they'd believe me.
As they got older, I had to justify my answers, and they didn't always take my advice.
Once they became adults at sixteen, they rarely wanted to even listen, I could advise, but they wouldn't always take it.
It's hard, but Genesis is an adult now, and can make decisions on his own.
So let's just sit down, shut up, and hold his beer.
He's the exception, that proves the rule.
It's the rider, and had nothing to do with the bike.
When my kids were young, I could just tell them what to do, and they'd believe me.
As they got older, I had to justify my answers, and they didn't always take my advice.
Once they became adults at sixteen, they rarely wanted to even listen, I could advise, but they wouldn't always take it.
It's hard, but Genesis is an adult now, and can make decisions on his own.
So let's just sit down, shut up, and hold his beer.
I agree with you, and I prefer to measure riding experience more heavily weighted to mileage ridden vs years.
I would take advice from someone with 5yrs and 50,000km of exp over someone with 20yrs and 20,000km of exp.
Safety programs in other jurisdictions obviate the need for this "conversation" and have lower insurance rates. Funny that.
But then you need politicians involved, and that tends to throw a wildcard, and many times a cost, into things.
Hours ridden would work better than years owned. Some people commute five days a week downtown.
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JP0160
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Proud to say that in 1 year and (almost) 4 months, I've put over 30,000km on my little 300. Put me down in the "small bike first" group! I feel like I've learned alot by being able to use ALL of my machine everyday, learning it and my own limits along the way. I've met and ridden with many riders over the past year that have agreed that seat time is FAR superior to any amount of time owned or time licenced, etc.
Seat time is great for understanding traffic. Learning your own limits however should be done with dirt riding and track/racing. Get a race licence you'll learn more in a weekend than a lifetime riding the streets.
JP0160
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I agree, I rode dirt for years when I was younger, but have never been to the track. I feel that would be pushing mine and the bike's limits a little TOO far for my comfort though
Respect to those that race, it a little too pricey/crazy for me!
I don't think there's a real way to measure riding experience without putting someone through a skill test; easiest way is lap times.
I've ridden for nearly 8 years, the last 3 have been 90% track and very little street so my total mileage is probably under 5000. I have, obviously, learned tons more from riding track with like-minded riders that share their findings for suspension, late braking, etc. etc.
On the flip side, I met a French dude last year who's ridden for 2. I don't know what his riding background is, but he went from green to red very quickly on a Ducati Monster 6xx. This year he got an R6; a buddy faster than me messaged saying "oh ****, we're not going to catch him".....and we didn't lol Still not sure if he was just naturally gifted, or read/applied/practiced techniques a lot more than we did (far more likely).
Many don't mention the price issue. Track had to take a backseat for me this year. $300 a day is the average cost for a track day if you own your own trailer, and don't crash. If you crash...well, lets hope it's just fairing damage lol
I'm sure many of us have seen this happen before...and then a few months later the bike gets totaled. -_-
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Riceburner
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No question, actual riding time is more of a benchmark than years owned. Don't discount those commuting miles though. You learn a lot about street riding commuting and being in the mess that is traffic. There's also a difference between mechanical operation of a MC and riding on the street. You need both to survive on the road.
If agree that hours and mileage ridden is a better metric vs years. The previous owner of my bike owned it for 14 years and put only 13,000KM on it. To call the sort of rider who has been a rider for a decade "highly experienced" yet they barely manage 900KM a season (I rode nearly that in 1 day 2 weeks back) is a false metric.
And yes, skills testing separates the herd further. I'm sure the aforementioned 10 year/900km rider would pale nex to a 3 year/20,000KM per year rider.
And yes, skills testing separates the herd further. I'm sure the aforementioned 10 year/900km rider would pale nex to a 3 year/20,000KM per year rider.
Agreed. Street riding is a related but different animal to track, offroad or stunt riding--the environments and demands are all different. The skillsets overlap and strengthen each other, as the objectively best riders demonstrate. Oddly enough, they also seem to be the most humble.
