New Riders...Start with a smaller bike!

All his rationalizing will go out the window when he goes down on that R6

I pray he's lucky enough to only lose the bike and not his head
 
Ah. Replied before I read the rest of the thread - apologies.
I see you say, " Actually, in some ways, my possibility of crashing was alot higher than many other riders up until recently."
What did you recently to reduce your possibility of crashing? Riding less, less speed, different bike, different crew, etc?
Just curious.
No worries.
Well I could be wrong about my own abilities but I feel like recently, I've reached a deeper level of relationship with the bike; meaning my throttle control has significantly improved, leaning, braking, reflexes, awareness and overall comfort level.

I actually had a very close call recently where a driver pulled out from a side street between cars and tried to cross my lane while I was going around 70km.

I didn't panic brake, but instead counter steered as much as I could to get around the hood of his car. With all that, my right foot hit his bumper while I was still traveling at 65km (didn't have time to slow down, only swerve). Luckily the foot peg was not damaged and neither was my foot.

The thing is, If this happened a month ago, I'm sure I would have either panic braked or smash and flip over the hood of his car...

Trust me when I say I know the likelihood of a collision. I just try to leave the house with a degree of confidence that I'll make it where I'm going..

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Genesis, sorry to be blunt, but you are the typical overconfident newbie.

Pretty obvious to pretty much all of us.

That being said, it was about time a newbie came to the forum trying to tell seasoned riders that they're wrong.

Genesis, read, listen, and learn from those that have the experience. The fact that you acknowledge that you have minimal experience means that you're still a newbie and there's nothing wrong with that. All of us are still learning as we go along, but have made mistakes that you'll likely run into at some point.

Take note, ride safe, and don't become a statistic.
 
Genesis, sorry to be blunt, but you are the typical overconfident newbie.

I've rode on and off for about 22 years now. My first real street bike was no slouch (a 900cc inline 4 making nearly 100HP was quite respectable in the 80's)) and despite growing up riding anything and everything on 2 wheels even before I was legal for the street (I spent a lot of time in the dirt and offroad) my first streetbike was quite a step up.

My first ever bike was a 70's CT70 and I had quite a few after that, slowly graduating up through the CC's until I was on my old mans old Suzuki 750-something. I took the time to learn gradually - I had plenty of experience and know how, but even that wasn't enough - admittedly, my choice of a first bike (a vertiable bear compared to today's supersports, even) was too big of a leap.

Like yourself I thought I was invincible. Crashes happen to other people. I can handle this thing.

And I did. Until one day I didn't - something happened (no, I was not at fault, FWIW) that I would almost certainly have been able to avoid on a smaller, more nimble, and lighter bike. But the 900 sportbike I was riding was not that bike and I hadn't gained the skill on the road (with a big heavy powerful bike) to be able to avoid the wreck, despite it not being my fault.

I have the scars on my neck (about 50 stitches) to show for it - anyone who ever meets me is welcome to see them. I rode for years after that with a very healthy dose of humility, and when I came back to riding a few years ago I decided to swallow my pride and I took the MSC as a refresher. Yeah, I was one of the most experienced riders there, but even then...I learned things. I value what I learned at the course and am not afraid to admit it.

Now, I ride between 15,000 to 20,000KM per season and I still keep that humility and acceptance of the fact that I am neither perfect nor invincible firmly in the back of my head. That's not to say I'm not a confident rider - I am very much so, but I'm also not overconfident, which is the mistake that many make. And some day, that bites you in the ***.

Yes, I now ride like I am invisible. My safety is in MY hands, what others lend towards that is a bonus. I am keenly aware of the limits of my bike and I know that I need to ride within them.

I was lucky that I walked away from that first wreck after an ambulance ride, a bunch of stitches, and a cast for a broken wrist. I know it could have been much worse for me, and often is for others. I have never crashed since, knock on wood.

Do as you wish, but take it from someone who was there - you are not invincible, and your choice of bike could be the difference between that happening sooner vs later. Others have laid out the reasoning for that across various posts here which you just want to discount over and over again.



Not I. I ride the wheels off my bike, but it is a busy bike, not a show bike, and it's less than sparkling clean most of the time. Yeah, I wash it and wipe it down reasonably routinely, but I'm also not afraid to ride down a dirt road, in the rain, or have bugs stuck here and there. Spending time keeping it showroom sparkling all the time is wasted riding time in my mind. ;)
Sorry to hear you had an accident. Good to know you're still with us. It definitely is harder to maneuver with a heavier bike.

I'm just saying I highly doubt my views come from being "new" to riding. Oddly enough, I've noticed that the community of individuals who share the core belief that at all times, under all circumstances it is insane/stupid to start on a 600+ supersport, ignore, block out or pretend that there aren't many riders out there who have done just that and succeeded.

Those riders, like myself, share a similar philosophy and viewpoint and personality type towards motorcycles.
The other mainstream community (yours) holds different views. Both sides have fatalities.

To me, the difference is the one who is dependent on the bike will be at the mercy of the bike, and the one is dependent on his own hand will be at the mercy of his own hand.

When I ride, I take full accountability for my control and actions over the bike. I don't blame the bike. If you gave me a 1000cc and I rode it, it wouldn't be the bike's fault if I crashed it, it would be my fault. However, the reason why I didn't get a 1000cc is because I didn't think it was worth the learning curve. Not that it was impossible or impractical, but just that it was not a beast I'm willing to tame being new at riding.

The R6 has steep enough learning curve (especially since I've only been on bicycles before this lol) and the first month was abit stressful but I'm so glad I didn't get a 300cc and I'm glad I didn't get a 1000cc.

I chose correctly.

Still, let me just say that if I drop or crash the bike now, it would have nothing to do with the power of the bike.
I've already familiarized myself with it in all gears. Any crash I experience would be because of my overall inexperience with bikes in general. If it had anything to do with it's power, then it would have been within the first month when I was still getting used to it's power over 8k rpm.

I did manage to ride my friend's Honda 500 and I could see right away why people say my bike is unforgiving. You have to be pretty sharp to ride a 600 as a first bike.



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Still, let me just say that if I drop or crash the bike now, it would have nothing to do with the power of the bike.
I've already familiarized myself with it in all gears. Any crash I experience would be because of my overall inexperience with bikes in general. If it had anything to do with it's power, then it would have been within the first month when I was still getting used to it's power over 8k rpm.

I did manage to ride my friend's Honda 500 and I could see right away why people say my bike is unforgiving. You have to be pretty sharp to ride a 600 as a first bike.



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There are other aspects of a SS that cause people to crash aside from the power. Brakes, throttle control in turns (can relate to power), changing/less than ideal road conditions such as sand/rain/grates.

As long as you stay vigilant, stay level-headed, and don't get over confident, you may very well be a SS starter success story.
 
There are other aspects of a SS that cause people to crash aside from the power. Brakes, throttle control in turns (can relate to power), changing/less than ideal road conditions such as sand/rain/grates.

As long as you stay vigilant, stay level-headed, and don't get over confident, you may very well be a SS starter success story.
I understand and I agree. It's challenging to start on a SS and I wouldn't recommend it for most people.

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Imo I do not get the impression that @Genesis is a "cocky" new rider. But rather someone with a good head on his/her shoulders. I will not comment on whether the R6 is a good choice for first bike (we all know how I felt about hitting 150 on my buddy's R6 in the blink of an eye), but I do feel that Genesis's approach is one that differs from the norm.
I think it is safe to say that the majority of new riders would benefit from starting on a lower cc bike. I hope that Genesis will prove to be the exception.
Now, me being ~250lbs, I felt that starting on a 750 cruiser, rather than a 500 was a better choice. But it doesn't put out the numbers that other bikes do.
Imho, I kinda shook my head when my coworker decided that a iirc 1600 cc HD was a good first bike. I recommended the 883.
Fwiw, I am still completely happy with my 750, for what I need.

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Cruisers are a different kettle of fish. You can start on a bigger cc cruiser. Their power delivery is a lot tamer than a SS. So, a mature rider starting on a bit bigger cruiser isn't too far off.
 
Imo I do not get the impression that @Genesis is a "cocky" new rider. But rather someone with a good head on his/her shoulders. I will not comment on whether the R6 is a good choice for first bike (we all know how I felt about hitting 150 on my buddy's R6 in the blink of an eye), but I do feel that Genesis's approach is one that differs from the norm.
I think it is safe to say that the majority of new riders would benefit from starting on a lower cc bike. I hope that Genesis will prove to be the exception.
Now, me being ~250lbs, I felt that starting on a 750 cruiser, rather than a 500 was a better choice. But it doesn't put out the numbers that other bikes do.
Imho, I kinda shook my head when my coworker decided that a iirc 1600 cc HD was a good first bike. I recommended the 883.
Fwiw, I am still completely happy with my 750, for what I need.

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IMO the 1600cc HD is actually not bad, its smooth and forgiving i found(rode the fatbob), I can see someone starting on those and being ok, provided they arent too young and dumb

Now the 1800cc (110 engine) is a different ballgame especially on a lighter (relatively) dyna chassis on the lowrider S

This just illustrates that Cruisers are different in terms of power compared to a sport or standard
 
Still, I wouldn't recommend a big cruiser as a first bike either. Size and weight still play a factor in the learning curve. For cruisers up to around 600 might be ok, maybe 750 if maturity and balance and strength is there.
 
This just illustrates that Cruisers are different in terms of power compared to a sport or standard[/B]

Hence why if limits were introduced on beginner bikes, HP makes a lot more sense than cc (or ideally hp/kg but that is even less likely to happen). Although it would be quite entertaining to watch JoeBass ride a 250 cruiser, it would go quite slow up the hwy 7 hill by Islington.
 
Isn't it HP limits in the UK? Shouldn't be hard to copy their regs. There you can ride a SS that's restricted and then unrestrict it when you move up the levels.
 
was this ever answered?

Many many answers to other questions, I've never seen an answer to that one so I am putting my money on <3 months.

Don't worry though, because he has "already familiarized myself with [the power of the bike] in all gears" so he's got tons of experience and is good to go. :/ What does an R6 in 6th gear at 8000+ rpm run? 150+ before you are experiencing the power of the bike? Sounds like his learning is going exactly as expected.
 
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Didn't Jamie ride an R6, or did he switch to an R1?
 
Isn't it HP limits in the UK? Shouldn't be hard to copy their regs. There you can ride a SS that's restricted and then unrestrict it when you move up the levels.

Yes. Even my 125 is restricted in the UK for new riders.
 
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