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Really if after 6 pages they still dont get it, i dont think they ever will.


Perhaps they are looking to meet head first with a yellow Porsche, or a boulder?
 
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Genesis said:
First Bike: R6
I'm reading alot of ignorance here...
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....holy ****, I wanted to just lurk these boards but this post is gold lol

You have multiple track junkies or racers hinting in subtle ways that you're completely wrong. You call others ignorant but are ignoring the suggestions of riders who are passing on advice after making or seeing massive mistakes. Many of these riders are far faster than the average rider and have a holistic understanding of the technical/mechanical aspects to operating a motorcycle.

..........yet they're wrong.

Is this irony or another term?
 
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Breaking News: Newbie who buys supersport for first bike thinks it's perfectly acceptable (essential basically, as much less would be "life threatening") and refuses to listen to others with exponentially more experience than him.
 
油井緋色;2513971 said:
....holy ****, I wanted to just lurk these boards but this post is gold lol

You have multiple track junkies or racers hinting in subtle ways that you're completely wrong. You call others ignorant but are ignoring the suggestions of riders who are passing on advice after making or seeing massive mistakes. Many of these riders are far faster than the average rider and have a holistic understanding of the technical/mechanical aspects to operating a motorcycle.

..........yet they're wrong.

Is this irony or another term?
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There is a line between "ill-advised" or "do not recommend" and outright asserting that an individual who starts off on a more powerful bike is "crazy uninformed idiot" or what not.

You say that I am dismissing advice from seasoned riders but on the contrary, it is because of their advice why I'm still alive and doing so well on my bike. You are bouncing between two extremes. Just because I know myself better than another man and choose to exercise my freedom of choice does not mean I am ignorant.

If I did not clarify before, I will do so now. I see exactly why 600cc + supersports are not recommend for the average person. I also wouldn't recommend it for just anyone. But again, depending on my personal analysis of a particular person, I might give them the "OK".



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PrivatePilot said:
Breaking News: Newbie who buys supersport for first bike thinks it's perfectly acceptable (essential basically, as much less would be "life threatening") and refuses to listen to others with exponentially more experience than him.
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I'm sorry but you are also mistaken and you need to be more specific in your statement.

Firstly, I think it's acceptable for "who" to get a supersport? Not everyone.

Secondly, while you're saying I'm "refusing to listen" the reality is that there are many people out there like myself who start and is succeed in their motorcycle riding timeline even though they started on a 600.

The harsh reality is that there are many others who have started out on litre bikes as well and still breathe. Although

I personally would not start on a 1000cc bike, it would be highly irrationally of me to state that it is impossible or insane to do so seeing as I don't make it a habit of projecting my own limitations on others.

Some are comfortable to start on a 250, some a 300, others 600 and even 1000.
Each come with their own degrees of risk and as another user here has stated, the intelligent ones will govern themselves and make their choice based on an informed decision and Darwin will take care of the rest.





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I'd say it's wise to start on a beginner bike to get the basics down but after that ride whatever you want. 600ss don't really do anything weird or catch you off guard although I'd take some time before stepping to a liter bike as they can dance around pretty good. I think the most dangerous part of a 600 is the front brake but it also is one of the things that makes me feel like a super sport is actually one of the safer street rides. That's why I think a good understanding of basics for a season on a beginner bikes is a good idea.

I do find it interesting that some members here seem to almost hate super sports without even riding them. Constantly going on about insurance, low torque blah blah blah. They're motorcycles and really fun ones at that...give one a try sometime.
 
blackcamaro said:
I'd say it's wise to start on a beginner bike to get the basics down but after that ride whatever you want. 600ss don't really do anything weird or catch you off guard although I'd take some time before stepping to a liter bike as they can dance around pretty good. I think the most dangerous part of a 600 is the front brake but it also is one of the things that makes me feel like a super sport is actually one of the safer street rides. That's why I think a good understanding of basics for a season on a beginner bikes is a good idea.

I do find it interesting that some members here seem to almost hate super sports without even riding them. Constantly going on about insurance, low torque blah blah blah. They're motorcycles and really fun ones at that...give one a try sometime.
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I agree.

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Genesis said:
I'm sorry but you are also mistaken and you need to be more specific in your statement.

Firstly, I think it's acceptable for "who" to get a supersport? Not everyone.

Secondly, while you're saying I'm "refusing to listen" the reality is that there are many people out there like myself who start and is succeed in their motorcycle riding timeline even though they started on a 600.

The harsh reality is that there are many others who have started out on litre bikes as well and still breathe. Although

I personally would not start on a 1000cc bike, it would be highly irrationally of me to state that it is impossible or insane to do so seeing as I don't make it a habit of projecting my own limitations on others.

Some are comfortable to start on a 250, some a 300, others 600 and even 1000.
Each come with their own degrees of risk and as another user here has stated, the intelligent ones will govern themselves and make their choice based on an informed decision and Darwin will take care of the rest.





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I don't think anyone here is saying you should not be allowed to own a 600cc bike as your first ride. Neither is anyone saying new riders should be subjected to CC limits based on experience. If you're happy with your R6 that's fine. But the reality is you'll learn more and faster about the dynamics and the physics of motorcycles on a 250. Your weight, in comparison to the bike affords you more control over the machine to manipulate its every move. A heavier bike doesn't react as quickly and tends to control you more. That weight, combined with torque and horsepower can quickly overwhelm your experience at the wrong time. You think you know your R6? It's a bike with spectacular abilities. Go take a look at some of the guys who stunt with them or race with them, then ask them what bike they learned on when they started riding. Maybe you don't want to race with an R6 (ha ha) and you plan to ride with maturity and reservation. Perhaps you're above all the others. Great self confidence. Wiping out is something "other guys do". Well, I think we all know that guy.
 
Roadghost said:
I don't think anyone here is saying you should not be allowed to own a 600cc bike as your first ride. Neither is anyone saying new riders should be subjected to CC limits based on experience. If you're happy with your R6 that's fine. But the reality is you'll learn more and faster about the dynamics and the physics of motorcycles on a 250. Your weight, in comparison to the bike affords you more control over the machine to manipulate its every move. A heavier bike doesn't react as quickly and tends to control you more. That weight, combined with torque and horsepower can quickly overwhelm your experience at the wrong time. You think you know your R6? It's a bike with spectacular abilities. Go take a look at some of the guys who stunt with them or race with them, then ask them what bike they learned on when they started riding. Maybe you don't want to race with an R6 (ha ha) and you plan to ride with maturity and reservation. Perhaps you're above all the others. Great self confidence. Wiping out is something "other guys do". Well, I think we all know that guy.
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I completely agree with what you're saying. The learning curve is not as steep on 250s as they are on 600 supersports. I'm sure everyone would at least agree with that.

From personal experience, again, I see exactly why supersports is not recommended. My point is that although it might be ill-advised, an individual who makes an informed decision should not be met with ignorance. The things I read from the mainstream community is hilarious.

And yes, I think "I'm that guy" who won't crash. Just like every other rider who gets on their bike, 600 or not.

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Genesis said:
And yes, I think "I'm that guy" who won't crash. Just like every other rider who gets on their bike, 600 or not.
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Speaking of hilarious comments. Speak for yourself please.
 
Evoex said:


Speaking of hilarious comments. Speak for yourself please.
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I'm confused. If you step on your bike Monday morning with the belief that you are actually going to crash that same day, the fear could hinder and constrict the application of your riding abilities.

Successful riders have a healthy dose of confidence and faith in that they will arrive to their destination safely. I never said that I think crashing is impossible for me.

So...yes I am one of the many guys who think I won't crash. Why would I ride thinking that I'll crash? That's dangerous.

So what's so hilarious about my comment?



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because that's what everyone thinks just before meeting pavement.

Being prepared for the crash doesn't mean you will crash. Riding thinking you are going to crash means you are looking out for those possibilities to prevent it.
 
Riceburner said:
because that's what everyone thinks just before meeting pavement.

Being prepared for the crash doesn't mean you will crash. Riding thinking you are going to crash means you are looking out for those possibilities to prevent it.
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This.
 
Riceburner said:
because that's what everyone thinks just before meeting pavement.

Being prepared for the crash doesn't mean you will crash. Riding thinking you are going to crash means you are looking out for those possibilities to prevent it.
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This X 100



also Isn't the old saying:

There two kinds of riders, those who have gone down, and those are going to go down?

Remember people telling me at my MSF course
 
I don't know how guys don't get bored riding a machine designed to go 300 kph within legal limits. Even on my 125 I'm always risking my license in the city and am at or above 140 kph on the highway. I can't imagine how slow a supersport would feel. That's why I downgraded. Got tired of trying so hard to not speed. And the 650R I had isn't exactly a performance machine.
 
I completely agree that being prepared for a crash is a wise thing. But, I'm not sure how I could ever ride thinking I'm going to crash. I'd be scared stupid.. :) I've been doing this a long, long time and I never think about crashing when I'm riding. I have the same feelings when I hear people say they ride like they are invisible. I could not imagine the mindset that allows one to actually ride with that on their minds.....

I think you should be aware that crashing is a possibility and do your best to avoid but to me that is as far as it should go.



Riceburner said:
because that's what everyone thinks just before meeting pavement.

Being prepared for the crash doesn't mean you will crash. Riding thinking you are going to crash means you are looking out for those possibilities to prevent it.
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A certain amount of fear is healthy, but to completely put the blinders on and think you will never go down is just stupid


And in terms of probability, the odds of you walking away unscathed decrease the faster the bike is(simple physics)
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