heres another one in markham, even less km
http://ontario.kijiji.ca/c-cars-veh...ikes-2008-Honda-CBR-600-RR-W0QQAdIdZ393639442
http://ontario.kijiji.ca/c-cars-veh...ikes-2008-Honda-CBR-600-RR-W0QQAdIdZ393639442
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need advice on a 20K+ used bike?
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But I don't want Tony the Tiger bike
And then again I was looking for stupid low KM. I guess we have different needs. And it matches the color of my Subaru hehe
why people don't like US and A bikes?
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Because they overpaid for their own bikes and they are jealous. Or they'll tell you that you have to support local overcharging businesses of course.
If you are buying a used bike, there is absolutely no difference in bikes. With some new bikes, you may lose out on the warranty.
Wow, that's a boatload of crap right there. I know way too many folks who have sold their US bikes (and made money after riding for 1-2 seasons). Stop hating and ************ people.
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Good for you and your friends, that doesn't change the facts.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
He rarely does. LOL. You know, this guy and Peggy know all the "facts" on this forum.
Answer to question,no.Mileage of 20k is nothing.People are basically stupid when it comes to buying used bikes is my experience.I have had buyers ask to look at the plugs on a bike after firing it up for them in the winter so that he could see if it was running "clean".Duuuuhhh!
I'm pretty sure that the Hyper i'm trying to sell would be a lot easier to sell if it didn't have 22k on it.It's getting a full check right now (new timing belts and shims) with fresh tires and going into the local shop to sell on consignment.I know it will sell quick sitting in a showroom beside an identical (3 yr newer) $15,000 Hyper S model.
How often do we hear of someone buying a bike with 20k or more on it and getting stung? Very rarely.It's all about $$$.
I'm pretty sure that the Hyper i'm trying to sell would be a lot easier to sell if it didn't have 22k on it.It's getting a full check right now (new timing belts and shims) with fresh tires and going into the local shop to sell on consignment.I know it will sell quick sitting in a showroom beside an identical (3 yr newer) $15,000 Hyper S model.
How often do we hear of someone buying a bike with 20k or more on it and getting stung? Very rarely.It's all about $$$.
Once again just because you guys did something and now BELIEVE it to be true doesn't make it so. It isn't a secret that you take a hit on american vehicles when it comes to resale value in canada.
But here an articles, and i even highlighted the important part for you guys so you don't get lost.
http://www.wheels.ca/news/so-you-want-to-buy-a-car-in-the-us/
[h=2]So you want to buy a car in the U.S….[/h] With the Canadian and U.S. dollar hovering near parity, there are two big questions on the minds of new-car buyers: Why aren't new-car prices the same in both countries? Should I take advantage of the apparently lower prices south of the border?
Published October 26, 2007
[h=4]Comment[/h]
Left
Right
With the Canadian and U.S. dollar hovering near parity, there are two big questions on the minds of new-car buyers:
Why aren't new-car prices the same in both countries?
Should I take advantage of the apparently lower prices south of the border?
Car buyers are overloaded with information on the Internet, with wild assumptions surrounding the recent parity between the currencies, and what it means for those looking to buy a new car. The apparently lower prices south of the border have even sparked a class-action lawsuit and a human rights complaint.
Wheels took the perspective of all parties involved – consumers, dealers and manufacturers – in order to debunk some of the myths surrounding cross-border car shopping.
If you're looking for a used car, there are a lot right here at home to choose from, already imported from the U.S. with prices that are not radically different from those in the States. They're not difficult to bring across the border.
But if you want to buy a new car, the issue is not quite so cut and dried.
The first thing to keep in mind is that dealers on either side of the border set prices based on their desire to move product out the door. But the economics of doing business vary even within the borders of a country as diverse as Canada – due to population size, operating costs, weather, government regulation, etc. – never mind the differences between here and another country.
Parity between the U.S. and Canadian currencies may not even apply in some cases. Volvo Canada, for example, like many European brands, doesn't buy its vehicles in U.S. dollars. Volvo buys in Swedish krona or the euro, depending on the location of the manufacturing plant. While the Canadian dollar has appreciated some 50 per cent against the U.S. dollar in the last four years, it has appreciated only 10 per cent against the krona and 7 per cent against the euro in the same period, according to Volvo Canada spokesperson Chad Heard.
Though the main bone of contention seems to be the difference between Canadian and U.S. manufacturer's suggested retail prices (MSRP), if you will be financing the car, the truth is that the price was always a bit of a fairy tale when figuring out the monthly payments. Beyond your negotiating skills at the dealer, you also have to add in the additional costs of the freight and pre-delivery inspection (PDI) charges.
Cash incentives, capital cost reductions, residuals, finance rates, warranty costs, roadside assistance and scheduled maintenance plans are not only different between the U.S. and Canada, they're also different between Halifax and Vancouver.
For the majority of new-car buyers who need to either lease or borrow money, these factors – more than just the MSRP – give a more accurate bearing on your final monthly payment. Comparisons between U.S. and Canadian models need to be done at the "transaction" level (the price customers pay on a monthly basis) to be more realistic.
For example, General Motors of Canada spokesperson Stew Low says the monthly payments for the 2007 Chevrolet Malibu LS is $280 a month in Canada compared with $282 a month in the U.S., and the 2007 Pontiac Torrent FWD is $416 in Canada vs. $413 in the U.S. (in their respective dollars).
So is it worth your while to shop for that new car across the border? There are several factors to consider, which add to your final cost:
Import duties, plus federal and provincial taxes.
The cost of meeting Canadian compliance standards (see sidebar). Safety standards differ and vehicles imported to Canada must be retrofitted at the owner's cost.
Scheduled maintenance costs that aren't covered on U.S. vehicles in Canada.
Vehicles imported to Canada may not be eligible for roadside assistance coverage, or incentives such as credit card affiliation points, no charge maintenance, etc.
When it comes time to sell your imported U.S. car, its resale value will be lower than a comparable Canadian model.
Finally, those federal and provincial energy rebate programs, which can add up to $4,000 in incentives for fuel-sippers, don't apply to imported vehicles. On the other hand, any gas-guzzler penalties still apply to U.S. vehicles and need to be paid when licensing the vehicle in Canada.
Apart from these financial concerns, there is also the difficulty of negotiating in the States. Most U.S. franchise agreements prevent dealers from exporting – whether you're from Canada, Cambodia or Croatia. And most trade experts say this international practice is not illegal.
When asked by Wheels this week, the Canadian branches of several car companies said they allow Canadian customers to buy new cars from their U.S. dealers, but that Canadian dealers may not honour warranties on new vehicles bought in the U.S.
At the time of publication, Audi, BMW, Hyundai, Ford, Mazda, Porsche and Volvo told Wheels they would honour the warranty on vehicles purchased in the U.S. However, most scheduled maintenance plans offered in the U.S. are only valid in the U.S.
So if Canadian retailers in the book or electronics industries can drop prices to reflect parity, why can't the auto industry?
In many ways it may simply be a matter of time. Over the past several months, Hyundai Canada has increased consumer incentives on select models. Last week, BMW Canada began offering lower lease and finance rates, or cash incentives. Porsche dropped pricing across the board for its 2008 models by 10 per cent.
The differences in Porsche's pricing were so large to begin with, it did little to reduce the disparity. But it did bring up the free-market issue. As a car buyer, you have a choice: If you don't like the price, don't buy the car. Or at least a new one.
Buying a used vehicle in the U.S. does come with the hassles of determining the car's accident history, and may reduce the warranty coverage. But it's a larger market down south, making for potentially lower prices and wider selection. And unlike the additional "hidden" costs of a new car, a used car in any country requires less detective work to get to the "real" price.
To avoid some of the hassles of importing a car, and as your first salvo in negotiating the purchase of a new car in Canada, some experts advise seeking out a comparably equipped U.S. model on the Web, and taking that price to a Canadian dealer.
That's a good start. But most Canadian retailers are still buying cars at a higher wholesale price than their American counterparts – sometimes much higher – giving them little wiggle room in the sale price.
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With such a wide range of considerations, it's hard to make a broad statement that all Canadian new-car prices should be reduced by a fixed amount based on what the loonie is worth that day. Many Canadian auto retailers admit they are in the organizational and legal throes of trying to adjust pricing based on the changing Canadian currency.
In the end, do your research. Crunch the numbers. Then it's up to you to define "value."
you actually seem to be very confused about what reality is what you deem it to be
reselling only depends on what the market is willing to pay. There are hundreds of US bikes for sale that get sold, so not sure why you think they don't sell.
YOU may not be willing to buy a US bike, but thats not the general case.
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I go by facts, not by what i hear from a friend's friend.
I do agree with you half way, they do sell. I looked over my post and i guess "no one will touch it" wasn't he most accurate thing to say. People will still buy them, just as people buy everything, but there is no argument that the resale value takes a hit.
You have to ask them. Not all bike shops are the same. Some will sell you a mint bike, others will sell you a wrecked piece of crap.
By your own admission "don't forget that when you want to sell your USA acquired bike no one will want to touch it, and when they do it will be for a discounted price."
so you buy a bike in the USA for a discounted price, then sell it for a discounted price....
wheres the problem?
if your point is if all things being equal a US bike is worth less than a Canadian bike, you are correct, but that also means the US bike was purchased for less as well,
I agree with you there 100%
But people look at a bike thats lets say 10k here, go buy it in the states for 8k and think their bike is still worth 10k when they bring it here, which isn't the case.
so you're not really saving anything in the end are you? and on top of that you spend all that time bringing it over lol
thats what i was trying to get at in the first place
FriendlyFoe
Well-known member
Because most sport bikes dont make it past 40k. People just ride the bike doing nothing more then oil changes and then wonder why it blows up. I wouldn't buy a 7 year old bike with less miles on it then that, because when stuff sits for prolonged periods of time thats when you end up with rust. Bikes are happier when they're being ridden.
The real consideration with buying a 7 year old bike is things like that the swingarm/head bearings really should be greased, which would be a couple bucks if you couldn't do it yourself.
Where are you finding these mechanics? Thats such a ridiculous statement to make, but i'm guessing you probably dont understand why/how it is the valves need to be adjusted. Not checking clearances the first indication you get of your bike running bad might very well be the piston slamming into the valve.
starboy869
Well-known member
My poor 1984 bike only has 28,000 km on it. Sadly it sat in barn for 20 some odd years and got rode for 5 years after before I aquired it ($100btw), sadly I havent had a lot of time devoted to it, but I have plan in the works and being safety checked soon.
Once again just because you guys did something and now BELIEVE it to be true doesn't make it so. It isn't a secret that you take a hit on american vehicles when it comes to resale value in canada.
But here an articles, and i even highlighted the important part for you guys so you don't get lost.
http://www.wheels.ca/news/so-you-want-to-buy-a-car-in-the-us/
So you want to buy a car in the U.S….
With the Canadian and U.S. dollar hovering near parity, there are two big questions on the minds of new-car buyers: Why aren't new-car prices the same in both countries? Should I take advantage of the apparently lower prices south of the border?
Published October 26, 2007
Wheels
Comment
Auto sales surge
Left
Right
With the Canadian and U.S. dollar hovering near parity, there are two big questions on the minds of new-car buyers:
Why aren't new-car prices the same in both countries?
Should I take advantage of the apparently lower prices south of the border?
Car buyers are overloaded with information on the Internet, with wild assumptions surrounding the recent parity between the currencies, and what it means for those looking to buy a new car. The apparently lower prices south of the border have even sparked a class-action lawsuit and a human rights complaint.
Wheels took the perspective of all parties involved – consumers, dealers and manufacturers – in order to debunk some of the myths surrounding cross-border car shopping.
If you're looking for a used car, there are a lot right here at home to choose from, already imported from the U.S. with prices that are not radically different from those in the States. They're not difficult to bring across the border.
But if you want to buy a new car, the issue is not quite so cut and dried.
The first thing to keep in mind is that dealers on either side of the border set prices based on their desire to move product out the door. But the economics of doing business vary even within the borders of a country as diverse as Canada – due to population size, operating costs, weather, government regulation, etc. – never mind the differences between here and another country.
Parity between the U.S. and Canadian currencies may not even apply in some cases. Volvo Canada, for example, like many European brands, doesn't buy its vehicles in U.S. dollars. Volvo buys in Swedish krona or the euro, depending on the location of the manufacturing plant. While the Canadian dollar has appreciated some 50 per cent against the U.S. dollar in the last four years, it has appreciated only 10 per cent against the krona and 7 per cent against the euro in the same period, according to Volvo Canada spokesperson Chad Heard.
Though the main bone of contention seems to be the difference between Canadian and U.S. manufacturer's suggested retail prices (MSRP), if you will be financing the car, the truth is that the price was always a bit of a fairy tale when figuring out the monthly payments. Beyond your negotiating skills at the dealer, you also have to add in the additional costs of the freight and pre-delivery inspection (PDI) charges.
Cash incentives, capital cost reductions, residuals, finance rates, warranty costs, roadside assistance and scheduled maintenance plans are not only different between the U.S. and Canada, they're also different between Halifax and Vancouver.
For the majority of new-car buyers who need to either lease or borrow money, these factors – more than just the MSRP – give a more accurate bearing on your final monthly payment. Comparisons between U.S. and Canadian models need to be done at the "transaction" level (the price customers pay on a monthly basis) to be more realistic.
For example, General Motors of Canada spokesperson Stew Low says the monthly payments for the 2007 Chevrolet Malibu LS is $280 a month in Canada compared with $282 a month in the U.S., and the 2007 Pontiac Torrent FWD is $416 in Canada vs. $413 in the U.S. (in their respective dollars).
So is it worth your while to shop for that new car across the border? There are several factors to consider, which add to your final cost:
Import duties, plus federal and provincial taxes.
The cost of meeting Canadian compliance standards (see sidebar). Safety standards differ and vehicles imported to Canada must be retrofitted at the owner's cost.
Scheduled maintenance costs that aren't covered on U.S. vehicles in Canada.
Vehicles imported to Canada may not be eligible for roadside assistance coverage, or incentives such as credit card affiliation points, no charge maintenance, etc.
When it comes time to sell your imported U.S. car, its resale value will be lower than a comparable Canadian model.
Finally, those federal and provincial energy rebate programs, which can add up to $4,000 in incentives for fuel-sippers, don't apply to imported vehicles. On the other hand, any gas-guzzler penalties still apply to U.S. vehicles and need to be paid when licensing the vehicle in Canada.
Apart from these financial concerns, there is also the difficulty of negotiating in the States. Most U.S. franchise agreements prevent dealers from exporting – whether you're from Canada, Cambodia or Croatia. And most trade experts say this international practice is not illegal.
When asked by Wheels this week, the Canadian branches of several car companies said they allow Canadian customers to buy new cars from their U.S. dealers, but that Canadian dealers may not honour warranties on new vehicles bought in the U.S.
At the time of publication, Audi, BMW, Hyundai, Ford, Mazda, Porsche and Volvo told Wheels they would honour the warranty on vehicles purchased in the U.S. However, most scheduled maintenance plans offered in the U.S. are only valid in the U.S.
So if Canadian retailers in the book or electronics industries can drop prices to reflect parity, why can't the auto industry?
In many ways it may simply be a matter of time. Over the past several months, Hyundai Canada has increased consumer incentives on select models. Last week, BMW Canada began offering lower lease and finance rates, or cash incentives. Porsche dropped pricing across the board for its 2008 models by 10 per cent.
The differences in Porsche's pricing were so large to begin with, it did little to reduce the disparity. But it did bring up the free-market issue. As a car buyer, you have a choice: If you don't like the price, don't buy the car. Or at least a new one.
Buying a used vehicle in the U.S. does come with the hassles of determining the car's accident history, and may reduce the warranty coverage. But it's a larger market down south, making for potentially lower prices and wider selection. And unlike the additional "hidden" costs of a new car, a used car in any country requires less detective work to get to the "real" price.
To avoid some of the hassles of importing a car, and as your first salvo in negotiating the purchase of a new car in Canada, some experts advise seeking out a comparably equipped U.S. model on the Web, and taking that price to a Canadian dealer.
That's a good start. But most Canadian retailers are still buying cars at a higher wholesale price than their American counterparts – sometimes much higher – giving them little wiggle room in the sale price.
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With such a wide range of considerations, it's hard to make a broad statement that all Canadian new-car prices should be reduced by a fixed amount based on what the loonie is worth that day. Many Canadian auto retailers admit they are in the organizational and legal throes of trying to adjust pricing based on the changing Canadian currency.
In the end, do your research. Crunch the numbers. Then it's up to you to define "value."
Pretty sure even at the end of next season after riding my US bike I could sell it for $8000 and maybe some. US bikes personally don't steer me away at all. It's not like it has a warranty on it.
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