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Motorcycle Parking Fees Recommended without Notice or Public Consultation

Re: Motorcycle parking fees on hold for now

I emailed my councillor.

Maybe if this can drag on till Oct 2014 when Ford will be voted out - it will go too!!!!
 
Re: Motorcycle parking fees on hold for now

Remember that there are a whole lot of councilors who support stuff like this, but oppose Ford.
 
Re: Motorcycle parking fees on hold for now

How is dedicating spots to motorcycles any different than losing revenue from a car to a motorcycle, as you mentioned? If you dedicate spots to bikes, that means 100% of the time a car cannot park there, and there's a good chance no bike will be there either, so it's just empty. Without dedicated spots, 100% of the available parking space is technically available to cars

The only ways the city will NOT lose on dedicated spots are to:

- make too few spaces for the actual demand so that the occupancy rate of the spots is extremely high, OR
- create new spaces at the front and back of already demarcated street parking zones

Otherwise all of their estimates are incorrect as they do not account for the opportunity cost of lost revenue from full size vehicles which would have parked in those zones if/when there were no bikes there.

There is also as assumption that the introduction of paid motorcycle parking will have no effect on usage. If I'm going to have to pay $10 to park my bike for the day downtown, I may decide that I will bring my car and pay slightly more but have mitigate against bad weather.

In Montreal you are supposed to park bikes (for free) just outside the car parking zones. There though they have actual marked spaces for full size vehicles and you pay electronically according to your parking spot number. There though they seem to ignore bikes parked right up to the cross-street, perhaps due to the pervasiveness of one-way streets and the no-right-on-red. In general the city of Montreal seems to allow bikes a lot of latitude for parking as they truly do seem to want to encourage usage.

The first big red herring in their report is the attempt to tie illegal parking to the lack of demarcated parking. There is an assertion that illegal parking would decrease, as it had in Calgary, with the introduction of dedicated parking zones. As far as I know Calgary did not have free motorcycle parking before the introduction of dedicated spots, so therefore the motivator for illegal parking there may have been to avoid paying full vehicle rates. In Toronto, if there are not enough spaces to fit demand (which is by the Toronto staff report far greater than 500) or if the prices are not acceptable, you are likely to see an INCREASE on non-compliance, are you not?

The second red herring is the lack of any evidence that the promotion of motorcycle usage has resulted in a permanent change in behaviour which is adequate to meet the cities goals to reign in gridlock and reduce environmental impact.

I wonder if the scooter riders are going mental right now: they have gone from parking on the boulevard for free to getting shoved into traffic and forced to pay. That's an even bigger pill to swallow methinks.
 
Re: Motorcycle parking fees on hold for now

I'm thinking in more simple terms, based on one very basic question: Is this change needed in order to accommodate passenger vehicle parking, or is it just to handle motorcycles? This leads to a second simple question: Will the addition of a limited amount of seasonal parking, at a rate lower than that for parking a passenger vehicle, offset the cost of this change?

Not all change is a net improvement. Sometimes the status quo is the way to go.
 
Re: Motorcycle parking fees on hold for now

I followed up with Councillor Matlow's office today. They are heavily into the Scarb subway thing, which has a deadline today, so they haven't looked at the stuff I've sent. I advised that I would be meeting with a riders tomorrow (L&L at 8:30), and that I would like to be able to say that we have his support. We'll see if I hear back in time.

I looked back at Councillor Del Grande's motion which started this whole thing, which directs staff to "report ... on options for the implementation and enforcement of parking charges and fees regarding motorcycles and motor scooters". The motion did not direct staff to look at the merits of charging for motorcycle parking or not, but just presumed a decision that Council was never asked to make (to charge or not), and looked for options to implement and enforce charging. This motion, and the September 12, 2013 staff report, which was adopted by Committee on September 20th do not address all of the broader issues put forward when the motorcycle parking exemptions were first introduced (the kind of things we are discussing in this thread). Formal public consultation is necessary to take us back to a full and proper consideration of that essential question. Without it, we will continue with our online discussions but will have no impact on the City as they move forward to implement this behind closed doors.
 
Is there a lot of riders here who give a hoot? I'd expect more discussion. I bet a lot of riders downtown are not away of impending check changes. We should make them aware.

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Not all riders are on these forums. In-person meets is where we have to preach and inform them of the truth! :D

Seriously though, L&L is probably the best place to start. I'll try to be there tomorrow with my riding group. Any specific spot where you will be, Face?
 
Re: Motorcycle parking fees on hold for now

In Montreal you are supposed to park bikes (for free) just outside the car parking zones. There though they have actual marked spaces for full size vehicles and you pay electronically according to your parking spot number. There though they seem to ignore bikes parked right up to the cross-street, perhaps due to the pervasiveness of one-way streets and the no-right-on-red. In general the city of Montreal seems to allow bikes a lot of latitude for parking as they truly do seem to want to encourage usage.

Actually it's quite the opposite. I just moved from Montreal earlier this year and parking downtown was always an issue. There are dedicated parking spots which are ALWAYS overflowing. Outside of that, you can park on the edge of car parking spots but you risk getting a ticket for being closer than 5 meters from the intersection. Normal summer you will get a few of these and a parking ticket in Montreal is a little more than 55$...

As for parking in a car spot and actually paying for it, there is another issue. To pay for parking, you actually punch in the parking spot number on the meter. No need to display ticket. The problem is that the by-law allows 1 vehicle per spot. If another bike comes and park beside you, both risk a ticket (even if both actually went to the meter and paid). Again, this is something I've seen myself.
 
Not all riders are on these forums. In-person meets is where we have to preach and inform them of the truth! :D

Seriously though, L&L is probably the best place to start. I'll try to be there tomorrow with my riding group. Any specific spot where you will be, Face?
Don't know if I'll be there or not, but where is the L&L meet again? Is it the the shopping plaza at the southwest corner, or further down Leslie, down towards the park?
 
Don't know if I'll be there or not, but where is the L&L meet again? Is it the the shopping plaza at the southwest corner, or further down Leslie, down towards the park?

Yes, FreshCo / Timmies on SW corner.
 
Not all riders are on these forums. In-person meets is where we have to preach and inform them of the truth! :D

Seriously though, L&L is probably the best place to start. I'll try to be there tomorrow with my riding group. Any specific spot where you will be, Face?

I'll be at the south end of the parking lot at 8:30.

I've got a meeting downtown this afternoon. When I'm done, I plan to go around to as many places I know where m/c's park, and leave slips on bikes that say:

The City is Planning to STOP Free On-Street Motorcycle & Scooter Parking

Without:
- Public Notice
- Public Consultation
- Any study or debate on the merits of free parking

What can I do?
- Visit: gtamotorcycle.com/general-motorcycle-discussion/Motorcycle-Parking-Fees-Recommended-without-Notice-or-Public-Consultation (Sticky Thread, current info starts at pg 28
- Write your local City Councillor (Info on the GTAM Thread)
- Go to the City Council Meeting with your helmet & gear on October 8th, 9:30 am, Council Chambers, City Hall, 100 Queen St W


It would be helpful if everyone here make these up, hand them out and put them on bikes as well. If you want, PM me with your e-mail address and I can send you a PDF with 4 on a page for easier printing.
 
Great idea, I would also include a bit.ly (or similar) link so they can get to the page without typing out the huge URL.

Thanks for the work.
 
That URL doesn't seem to work btw Face, might want to fix that.

Short URL: http://bit.ly/1frFhzh

Here's a QR Code if you care to include it:

http://i.imgur.com/NasYjWD.png

NasYjWD.png
 
I printed the note out on some 3"x4" paper, handed a few out to riding co-workers, then put the rest on 15 bikes parked at Gould and Bond, and along Gerrard. Hopefully it will get some people (ie. impoverished university students) talking.
 
I printed the note out on some 3"x4" paper, handed a few out to riding co-workers, then put the rest on 15 bikes parked at Gould and Bond, and along Gerrard. Hopefully it will get some people (ie. impoverished university students) talking.

Cool, I will try to get there by 8:30. Not that this thread is not great, but a Facebook page might be something to consider. That way we can at least attract visible numbers. Any one here in social media marketing? I know how to set it up, but will take time and some finessing to get it right.

Anyone know what the scooter people are doing? They seem to have more political activation plus they can also definitely claim to be more enviro-friendly (unilke some of the larger cc riders here) ;-) We should try to keep our messaging as simple and singular as possible.
 
Here is the link Face was trying to do. You can Right click and save image.


 
Cool, I will try to get there by 8:30. Not that this thread is not great, but a Facebook page might be something to consider. That way we can at least attract visible numbers. Any one here in social media marketing? I know how to set it up, but will take time and some finessing to get it right.

Anyone know what the scooter people are doing? They seem to have more political activation plus they can also definitely claim to be more enviro-friendly (unilke some of the larger cc riders here) ;-) We should try to keep our messaging as simple and singular as possible.

Scooter's are reasonably active. Check out http://www.meetup.com/toronto-moto-scooter-club/ some chat on there about it, but they're more interested in scooter parking on sidewalks.
 
I have just learned of this from one of you good Samaritans who have been leaving the above mentioned slips on bikes. This has my blood boiling and I am outraged by the hypocritical BS that comes out of our city's council chambers. Save the environment, go green, etc etc, unless of course, the city thinks they can make a tiny smidgeon of extra cash at anything, then all these well meaning platitudes go out the window. WE MUST STOP THIS. I will be there on October 8th at 9.30 100 Queen St West and show my outrage at these fools we elect.
 

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