Motogp 2013

Marquez' tire after his first stint.

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ZX600 said:
Can you elaborate when and how they were told the consequences? also can you elaborate apart from a paper that was passed along to all riders how else were they so clear? 3 teams got DQ'ed, I submit that they weren't that clear

I am sure broadcasters were given the same paper but they had time to analyse it and think about it, the teams had other things to do to prep for the race

So please let us know the source you are using to be so clear that they were told the consequences, because some of the riders have said they weren't told. So you know more than the riders
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http://motomatters.com/analysis/2013/10/20/2013_phillip_island_motogp_sunday_round_.html

The broadcasters weren't given these papers.

What penalty would you have chosen? Why are you so upset?
 
Mr.K said:
http://motomatters.com/analysis/2013/10/20/2013_phillip_island_motogp_sunday_round_.html

The broadcasters weren't given these papers.

What penalty would you have chosen? Why are you so upset?
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English is my 4th language as you may already have noticed and the way I write makes people believe I am upset, If I would have told you my comments instead of writing them, you would realize that there isn't much that upsets me. I honestly wanted to know if you had any sources.

The article you linked actually makes the point I have been trying to make a lot more eloquently

No rider is permitted to make more than 10 laps on any one slick or wet rear tyre. This means that a bike/tyre change before lap 9 will require a second bike/tyre change to finish the race.
That, according to their calculations, meant that they could do 10 full laps, and then pit on lap 11, as the Repsol Honda pit was situated before the finish line, and Marquez would therefore have only done 10 complete laps, coming in on the 11th lap, but swapping bikes before the 11th lap commenced.
They were wrong. In their haste to exploit the rules to the utmost without actually breaking them, they had overlooked the line before that, which contained an explicit definition of what was expected. It reads:
2. Every rider will be required to enter the pits and change to his second machine with fresh tyres at least once during the race. In normal circumstances this means that the rider must change machine only at the end of lap 9 or lap 10.
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I would have let him finish the race but advice the team that the item is on review and that a DQ is pending - then take the time to speak to the team and make a final decision that it wasn't rushed.. but that is just me.

I think the riders moved on and so have we, good discussion ;)
 
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ZX600 said:
I would have let him finish the race but advice the team that the item is on review and that a DQ is pending - then take the time to speak to the team and make a final decision that it wasn't rushed.. but that is just me.
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His team should have advised him to stay out while they fought with race direction... but he would likely risk another license point and start from back of grid in next race.
 
eastcoast_gsx said:
His team should have advised him to stay out while they fought with race direction... but he would likely risk another license point and start from back of grid in next race.
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Agreed, but because Lorenzo and Pedrosa have been crying like babies for the past few weeks about him, RD felt they had to act swiftly so the crying babies wouldn't out cry again. You would think Pedrosa works for yamaha

Didn't you see the Yamaha team manager run to RD.
 
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Mr.K said:
What was wrong with lap 9 OR 10? The rules were clearly stated, and they misread them. They were told the consequences for messing this up - you can even tell from his pit crew's reaction when they see him not pit in. I was surprised 93 was DQ'd, but I think it's appropriate.
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I think you're misinterpreting the crew's reaction in that video. For some reason the media and Dorna wanted everyone to believe that Marquez screwed up, when it was actually Honda.

His pit-board told him to come in on lap 11, his crew was expecting him on lap 11 not lap 9/10.

You can even see Shuhei Nakamoto explaining Marquez's decision to Race Direction in that video, it was part of their plan from the beginning.

Bridgestone should get removed next year, they have no excuse for Philip Island! The new surface was available back in January, and it took them 10 months to realize their hardest tire couldn't do 10 laps?
 
iFly55 said:
Bridgestone should get removed next year, they have no excuse for Philip Island! The new surface was available back in January, and it took them 10 months to realize their hardest tire couldn't do 10 laps?
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Someone said in here that they weren't allow to test, not sure of their source but that is what someone posted
 
eastcoast_gsx said:
His team should have advised him to stay out while they fought with race direction... but he would likely risk another license point and start from back of grid in next race.
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Black flagged, as soon as it shown it was all over for MM.

3.4 Protests and Appeals​
3.4.1 Right of protestAny legal entity or any individual, rider, team, manufacturer, officialetc. affected by a decision taken under the authority of the FIM, hasthe right to protest against that decision.No protest may be lodged against a decision of the Race Directionentailing or not:​
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a change of position.​
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a ride through.​
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a disqualification from the practice sessions or races by meansof a black flag or black flag with orange disc.​
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a fine for speeding in the pit lane.No protest may be lodged against a decision of the Race Direction​
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Mr.K said:
There was no reason to delay the decision - they knew ahead of time what the situation was. Letting him run longer has no benefit to anyone. It's important for them to act swiftly so that the penalized rider doesn't further affect results. Yamaha's manager ran to RD to confirm the decision, not argue about it. They wanted to know so they could let Lorenzo know - if Marquez is out, Lorenzo can take less risks trying to make fast laps.



That sounds like a really good way to get a race ban, not a few penalty points.
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Man, you must have a really good source on the yamaha garage or you just pull this stuff out of your ***

Confirm what? if he got black Flagged, everyone including Yamaha would see the black flag, he went there IMO to try and put pressure on RD, I don't blame them, going from 43 points behind to 18 is a big deal

:) smilie face so you don't think I am mad
 
Mr.K said:
There was no reason to delay the decision - they knew ahead of time what the situation was. Letting him run longer has no benefit to anyone. It's important for them to act swiftly so that the penalized rider doesn't further affect results. Yamaha's manager ran to RD to confirm the decision, not argue about it. They wanted to know so they could let Lorenzo know - if Marquez is out, Lorenzo can take less risks trying to make fast laps.



That sounds like a really good way to get a race ban, not a few penalty points.



I meant the mechanics, not Nakamoto/Suppo/whatshisname crew chief. It's clear in the video that Marquez was following his team's orders, and their predetermined strategy. It's just that their strategy was illegal. The mechanics were aware of the actual rules, and not the strategy, which is why they looked confused/upset when Marc did an extra lap.
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Seems like your opinion on the decision depends on who you are rooting for instead of the actual sport itself...

From the "Motorcycle racing sport" POV...

The weekend was a total mess, the last minute changes were outrageous, and the penalty for the mistake was all a bit over the top...

I don't really care who wins, I enjoy anyone busting their *** to win a race, let alone a season, and the winner usually deserves it. But this weekend was not the case. It was a sad sad display.

How many hats do you have with 99 on them :-p (not talking about the Gretzky ones either lol)
 
Mr.K said:
https://twitter.com/birtymotogp/status/391890548648202240

Solid source, MCN editor, did a bunch of the motogp.com commentary over the weekend. There are some more comments on the situation surrounding that tweet.

For future reference, Motomatters and birtymotogp are pretty much all you need for motogp news, rumors, etc.
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You really think the MCN editor is going to say out loud that yamaha went there to put pressure? or are they going to call it "check with race direction"

Anywho, none of us really know
 
Nakamoto was ****** and not with Marquez.

After all the talk about the Marquez spin move during the stop I was surprised to hear that Hayden gained about a second over everyone with his stop.
 
No one has addressed why the track was chewing through tires like that.
Was it resurfaced with knives wtf? Look at that hard compound tire after 10 laps!
 
I watched the BBC2 coverage of the race and the gay guy announcer(I don’t know his name) talked to Bridgestone and they said they are not allowed to do testing at Phillip Island because the course owners don't allow it or some sh*t.
 
R1Style said:
No one has addressed why the track was chewing through tires like that.
Was it resurfaced with knives wtf? Look at that hard compound tire after 10 laps!
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Commentators said that the outer tire surface could take the new asphalt but it was the fact that the tires were heating up to quickly and reaching temps of 120 and more and blistering the tire from the inside.
 
Mr.K said:
What would your punishment have been for not following the rules? Explain why it isn't completely arbitrary.
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In such a cluster fark of a weekend, I would have determined if there was any advantage gained from it, if yes, something would have to be done, if no... stfu and let the racers race.

And before you go on about "what if Marquez pitted with Lorenzo?" we can't ever know that. The only thing we DO know, is there there were 3 racers racing before the crap, and 3 racers racing (in almost the same order) after the crap, Race Direction should have been estatic that everyone was SAFE (that was the objective wasn't it?)

Instead we have this BS... it is not like long standing rules had been broken here...
 
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