Marco Muzzo

[Joe Bass]

Just kinda thinking out loud here....and maybe a little off topic, but....what if there was a workplace accident, where a forklift driver ran over and killed someone? As some may or may not know, he can be charged criminally and go to jail. Now what if he was drunk? Did he now not intend to go out and kill someone? Would his sentence be any different?

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[nobbie48]

I wouldn't want to go down that road and if our government floated such an idea you bet I'd be here in romper room screaming myself hoarse as I am want to do. But if you look at the criminality of DUI I have to admit that the idea has some merit worth exploring.

I threw up a trial balloon a few posts back in that I feel that there is some merit to peer pressure / shared responsibility / due diligence etc and the found-in laws force the decision to get involved on everyone. The concern is that if overdone it could become a Stalinist blood feud.

I wouldn't want to be charged as a found-in if I went into a convenience store for a bag of chips just as the cops were raiding it because the store also dealt crack. Two years later and $20,000 in lawyers fees to get cleared????

How do our laws define us as our brothers' keepers? Ignoring the moral issues, are we bound to rescue someone in distress? Help a freezing starving stranger by letting them into our homes? Prevent a collision not of our doing?

We are responsible to stop boozing up a buddy but if he was already boozed up on his own can we legally physically restrain him? If we opt not to are we legally responsible? If he gets belligerent who pays for the dental work? Other than the odd rubber chicken dinner and medal do heroes or good Samaritans get any compensation for their risks?

At what point in the drinkfest does it become someone's responsibility to say "OK guys, how are we getting home?" Answer: Before the first drink. Adjust all actions accordingly.

 

[nobbie48]

Just kinda thinking out loud here....and maybe a little off topic, but....what if there was a workplace accident, where a forklift driver ran over and killed someone? As some may or may not know, he can be charged criminally and go to jail. Now what if he was drunk? Did he now not intend to go out and kill someone? Would his sentence be any different?

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Maybe a legal beagle can clarify but there is negligence and there is criminal negligence. I think the DUI would push it towards the later but I don't think industrial accidents have ramped up in penalty severity as much as DUI on the roads.

 

[FullMotoJacket]

I wouldn't want to be charged as a found-in if I went into a convenience store for a bag of chips just as the cops were raiding it because the store also dealt crack.

That has to be the most ridiculous thing I've read in this thread.........and Bernie's posting in it. When the drug task force does raids like that the business has been under surveillance for weeks. They know who the players are.

 

[Dresden]

That has to be the most ridiculous thing I've read in this thread.........and Bernie's posting in it. When the drug task force does raids like that the business has been under surveillance for weeks. They know who the players are.

:withstupid::withstupid: Come on nobbie48.

 

[RetroGrouch]

Muzzo is a gearhead. The 15 year ban is going to be the twisting knife for him.

With his resources, he can easily fly to South America or Europe to drive. And there's nothing stopping him from driving on the track here.

 

[MarcosSantiago]

With his resources, he can easily fly to South America or Europe to drive. And there's nothing stopping him from driving on the track here.

There's nothing stopping him from building a brand new track here.

Or invest some of his money into the new Canadian Motor Speedway that is under construction @ Fort Erie, Ont. (just an example). With his money, he could become a partner now, when he comes out of jail he could drive everyday there.

 

[inreb]

He could buy a lake and call it Neville Lake and stock it with bass and PWC's.

 

[FullMotoJacket]

With his resources, he can easily fly to South America or Europe to drive.

Not without an IDP, and you need a valid license to get one.

And there's nothing stopping him from driving on the track here.

You need a valid license to do track days.

There's nothing stopping him from building a brand new track here.

On private property, no.

Or invest some of his money into the new Canadian Motor Speedway that is under construction @ Fort Erie, Ont. (just an example). With his money, he could become a partner now, when he comes out of jail he could drive everyday there.

That's a different story. That track (IF it ever breaks ground) will be sanctioned and will have to follow the rules, which would mean they'd risk losing their sanctioning if he were to drive on it.

 

[inreb]

Ok, go-karts it is then.

 

[Icbones]

not only bar tender but I believe if you had a party in your home and serving alcohol and someone left drunk and did damage, the home owner can be liable also

That stopped long ago

 

[Joe Bass]

Didn't someone post earlier that he is not allowed to drive even on private property?

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[Brian P]

If the wording is "prohibited from operating a motor vehicle" or some such, without specifying "on a highway", then there is probably a theoretical possibility that this could include private property ... but good luck enforcing that.

It is not necessary to have a driver's license for public roads in order to obtain a racing license. I don't know how it is in the car world, but it is not necessary to have a driver's license to do a motorcycle track day with any organization that I've seen.

 

[griff2]

With his resources, he can easily fly to South America or Europe to drive. And there's nothing stopping him from driving on the track here.

A prohibition on operating motor vehicles would apply to private property in Canada, particularly any locale considered to be a public place or open to the public, and that would also include a race track here.

As far as leaving the country, he would likely be restricted in where he can go when he is finally released on parole. The usual restrictions would require him to remain in a place near his place of employment or school, and to obtain permission from his parole officer to travel elsewhere. Leaving the country is usually out of the question for someone on parole.

 

[rorider]

If this guy will wanna drive/ride when he gets out, he'll do it, somewhere on this planet. He's got the money to do whatever he pleases. Let's not kid ourselves here.

 

[LoneRonin]

There's nothing stopping him from building a brand new track here.

Or invest some of his money into the new Canadian Motor Speedway that is under construction @ Fort Erie, Ont. (just an example). With his money, he could become a partner now, when he comes out of jail he could drive everyday there.

would you really want to do business with this guy?? His whole image and reputation has been ruined. If I saw him at a trackday I'd make sure to let him know how much of a dumb**** he is.

 

[nobbie48]

If the wording is "prohibited from operating a motor vehicle" or some such, without specifying "on a highway", then there is probably a theoretical possibility that this could include private property ... but good luck enforcing that.

It is not necessary to have a driver's license for public roads in order to obtain a racing license. I don't know how it is in the car world, but it is not necessary to have a driver's license to do a motorcycle track day with any organization that I've seen.

There are junior drag racing classes where the participants aren't old enough to have a driver's licenses. I'm sure Go-karts etc have similar situations.

 

[crankcall]

Its possible he will have trouble traveling to some destinations, the US really doesn't like convictions or even charges that involve DUI or drugs. The border security guy can deny entry at his discretion.

 

[inreb]

Maybe in the spirit of giving back to a community he's taken so much from he could become a travelling ambassador for MADD or buy Madd or become a funeral director. He could ride ceremonial shotgun in the hearse.

 

[Chaos]

A prohibition on operating motor vehicles would apply to private property in Canada, particularly any locale considered to be a public place or open to the public, and that would also include a race track here.

Interesting. I would not have figured a driving ban would extend to private property.