Marco Muzzo

[nobbie48]

Iirc, many years ago, I saw an interview with Jeffrey Dahmer's mom. They asked her how she could stay by her son's side after all the things he did. She answered "because he's my son". I thought she was effed. Then I had kids. I hope and pray that they will never do anything similar, but I have to say, I would be the same position as Dahmer's mom. Ymmv.

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It's one thing to stick with your kid after he/she's been stopped but another to turn a blind eye as they do things that indicate an out of control offspring. MM had a history that pointed in the wrong direction. What did the family do to correct him?

BTW it looks like their legal council has won round 1. Bail hearing is on election day so coverage will be muffled by election BS.

Lifetime driving bans: Can you get a pardon after 10 years or is this one that really sticks? Life in prison = 25 years. This is Canada not the USA.

 

[pfbmgd]

It's one thing to stick with your kid after he/she's been stopped but another to turn a blind eye as they do things that indicate an out of control offspring. MM had a history that pointed in the wrong direction. What did the family do to correct him?

BTW it looks like their legal council has won round 1. Bail hearing is on election day so coverage will be muffled by election BS.

Lifetime driving bans: Can you get a pardon after 10 years or is this one that really sticks? Life in prison = 25 years. This is Canada not the USA.[/QUOT]

That`s why you hire the best Brain Greenspan . The best out there next to Rosen .

 

[Joe Bass]

I couldn't live with myself if I backed someone that ruined an enitre family because of pure stupidty, doesn't matter if it is my child, sibling, even parent.

Don't get me wrong, they still need to be punished. But, it's still my kid.
Let's just hope none of will ever be in that position.

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[griff2]

It's one thing to stick with your kid after he/she's been stopped but another to turn a blind eye as they do things that indicate an out of control offspring. MM had a history that pointed in the wrong direction. What did the family do to correct him?

BTW it looks like their legal council has won round 1. Bail hearing is on election day so coverage will be muffled by election BS.

Lifetime driving bans: Can you get a pardon after 10 years or is this one that really sticks? Life in prison = 25 years. This is Canada not the USA.

Sticking with your kid doesn't mean turning a blind eye to or condoning what they do or have done. This guy was how old? There is a limit to what parents can do to influence or otherwise intervene in the behaviour of someone who is legally an adult.

Lifetime driving ban sticks. There is no mechanism for "driving ban parole".

"Life in prison" is not the correct term. It is imprisonment for life, but not necessarily in prison for all that time. Depending on the offence you have been imprisoned for, you can apply for parole after 10, 15, or 25 years. You may or may not be successful, but even if successful your term of of "imprisonment" remains in that the Parole Board will determine where you can live(halfway house, independently, and in what locale), what you can do (curfew, drinking, weapons, activity, mobility range), who you can associate with, require you to be employed or in school, treatment and counselling requirements, and frequency of reporting to your parole officer and/or local police.

Violate any of them and you risk parole revocation and back inside you go. You may be "out of prison", but you are not free by any definition.

 

[griff2]

Just for a point of ball-park comparison, though only two killed and one seriously injured in this one...

"A judge sentenced Sabastian Prosa, 22, to five years in prison Tuesday in connection with the deadly crash. In addition to the five-year sentence, a judge also handed Prosa an eight-year ban on driving.


"Prosa was behind the wheel of a GMC Envoy that was going the wrong way on a Toronto-area highway when he struck a van carrying Jayanatha Neil Wijeratne, along with his wife, Antonette, and their 16-year-old daughter, Eleesha, in August 2012. Jayantha Wijeratne, 49, and his daughter died in the crash, while Antonette Wijeratne suffered severe injuries.


Prosa had pleaded not guilty to all charges against him, arguing while he did have nearly double the legal limit of alcohol in his system at the time of the crash, he believed his drink had been spiked on the night of the crash."

"Hainey said the sentence he imposed reflected the criminal code, but also took into account the circumstances of the individual. He said Prosa had a stable upbringing and no criminal record. Two dozen character references submitted by family members and employers indicated that he had a track record of “exceptional” behavior and obeying the rules. The court also heard that Prosa maintained good grades and had plans to go to medical school."

 

[backmarkerducati]

With all the debates on this I think one area has really started to gel for me as a partial solution to DWI...the people who were drinking with him should be charged as accessories to the crime.

Not the servers, because in the end it is very difficult for them to know how much he drank before and very hard for them to know if he is going to drive. The guys he was drinking with knew both. Instead today we go after the servers or the bar, the guys sitting with him at the table are much more responsible for the outcome.

It is also common to do nothing for many of these people when they see their buddy is about to leave and drive home. They do not want to cause a scene with their buddy, they do not want to cause bad blood, they turn a blind eye. If they are now potentially on the hook for the crime, they are much more likely to stop it before it happens. After-all one of them may be sober enough to do some risk management.

None of the other options, current laws, or ideas ring true to me--this one does.

 

[nobbie48]

Just for a point of ball-park comparison, though only two killed and one seriously injured in this one...

"A judge sentenced Sabastian Prosa, 22, to five years in prison Tuesday in connection with the deadly crash. In addition to the five-year sentence, a judge also handed Prosa an eight-year ban on driving.


"Prosa was behind the wheel of a GMC Envoy that was going the wrong way on a Toronto-area highway when he struck a van carrying Jayanatha Neil Wijeratne, along with his wife, Antonette, and their 16-year-old daughter, Eleesha, in August 2012. Jayantha Wijeratne, 49, and his daughter died in the crash, while Antonette Wijeratne suffered severe injuries.


Prosa had pleaded not guilty to all charges against him, arguing while he did have nearly double the legal limit of alcohol in his system at the time of the crash, he believed his drink had been spiked on the night of the crash."

"Hainey said the sentence he imposed reflected the criminal code, but also took into account the circumstances of the individual. He said Prosa had a stable upbringing and no criminal record. Two dozen character references submitted by family members and employers indicated that he had a track record of “exceptional” behavior and obeying the rules. The court also heard that Prosa maintained good grades and had plans to go to medical school."

What if someone spiked a drink? I had an alcoholic buddy that used to "Top up" with 6 or 7 ounces of rye just before I picked him up, knowing I'd keep him dry for a while. It took 15-20 minutes before it kicked in and the shopping or whatever was not going to happen as he could barely walk.

What drinking pattern would Prosa have had to gone through to make the "Spiked" theory seem plausible? Consider that at age 22 he might not have been an experienced drinker, knowing what was happening to him. Alcohol distorts judgement.

 

[Slick_Steveo]

With all the debates on this I think one area has really started to gel for me as a partial solution to DWI...the people who were drinking with him should be charged as accessories to the crime.

Not the servers, because in the end it is very difficult for them to know how much he drank before and very hard for them to know if he is going to drive. The guys he was drinking with knew both. Instead today we go after the servers or the bar, the guys sitting with him at the table are much more responsible for the outcome.

It is also common to do nothing for many of these people when they see their buddy is about to leave and drive home. They do not want to cause a scene with their buddy, they do not want to cause bad blood, they turn a blind eye. If they are now potentially on the hook for the crime, they are much more likely to stop it before it happens. After-all one of them may be sober enough to do some risk management.

None of the other options, current laws, or ideas ring true to me--this one does.

This is a grown man we are talking about. So you expect him to throw all his buddies under the bus, for something he is solely responsible for?

No doubt that is exactly what is going to happen in this case, the servers, the friends, the pilot of the plane.....everyone will will be held accountable for this one goofball who took 4 lives.

 

[nobbie48]

BTW In the Prosa case the crash was August 2012. The verdict was June 2015 (3 Years) and the sentencing 4 months later. The Muzzo case isn't going to be in the news again for a long while.

 

[inreb]

BTW In the Prosa case the crash was August 2012. The verdict was June 2015 (3 Years) and the sentencing 4 months later. The Muzzo case isn't going to be in the news again for a long while.

The fact that this is normal is disturbing in itself. The whole "justice" system is so passive aggressive. Imagine if regular folk operated like that? The world would grind to a standstill. Well, at least the teachers are giving it a good go.

Re: holding friends partially accountable, is worth exploring. Who hasn't exploited a drunk driver to get a ride home? Not me of course, just asking

 

[griff2]

BTW In the Prosa case the crash was August 2012. The verdict was June 2015 (3 Years) and the sentencing 4 months later. The Muzzo case isn't going to be in the news again for a long while.

Muzzo will be out on bail and under bail restrictions for however long it takes. There will almost certainly be driving restrictions, alcohol restrictions, travel restrictions, and quite possibly a curfew that he will need to comply with.

Between bail conditions, the pressures of the trial process, and the social repercussions that are already hitting him and his family, he will be living under a very dark cloud for quite some time to come and even before any judge issues a verdict.

 

[Dresden]

Quoting my thoughts for future reference.

Trial will go for a LONG time, certainly between appeals, until the media spotlight has faded far enough away to sweep the charge under the rug. Very common tactic to wait until the public shifts their attention.


My guess:
2 Years involuntary manslaughter in min. security prison. Out in 6 months on good behaviour.
OR
Close to being let off completely due to fault in the process in which he/evidence was booked the night of the accident.


2019-2020, outcome will happen. Media will swoon over the decision and public outcry for less than a week. And Poof...

 

[Slick_Steveo]

Quoting my thoughts for future reference.

Trial will go for a LONG time, certainly between appeals, until the media spotlight has faded far enough away to sweep the charge under the rug. Very common tactic to wait until the public shifts their attention.


My guess:
2 Years involuntary manslaughter in min. security prison. Out in 6 months on good behaviour.
OR
Close to being let off completely due to fault in the process in which he/evidence was booked the night of the accident.


2019-2020, outcome will happen. Media will swoon over the decision and public outcry for less than a week. And Poof...

very likely...sad to say.

 

[griff2]

Quoting my thoughts for future reference.

Trial will go for a LONG time, certainly between appeals, until the media spotlight has faded far enough away to sweep the charge under the rug. Very common tactic to wait until the public shifts their attention.


My guess:
2 Years involuntary manslaughter in min. security prison. Out in 6 months on good behaviour.
OR
Close to being let off completely due to fault in the process in which he/evidence was booked the night of the accident.


2019-2020, outcome will happen. Media will swoon over the decision and public outcry for less than a week. And Poof...

He is not charged with involuntary manslaughter, and involuntary manslaughter is not a lesser and included charge for anything that he is charged with.

It won't get swept under the rug any more than the latest fatal drunk driving conviction and sentencing was for a nobody. Precisely because it is a Muzzo, the media will remain all over it.

He will get far more than two years inside because of the acts leading up to it and his prior driving and public intoxication record. A kid with no such record and with spotless character references recently got 5 years for killing two people. Muzzo's money may buy him a good defence, but it won't buy him a sentencing judge.

 

[Dresden]

He is not charged with involuntary manslaughter, and involuntary manslaughter is not a lesser and included charge for anything that he is charged with.

It won't get swept under the rug any more than the latest fatal drunk driving conviction and sentencing was for a nobody. Precisely because it is a Muzzo, the media will remain all over it.

He will get far more than two years inside because of the acts leading up to it and his prior driving and public intoxication record. A kid with no such record and with spotless character references recently got 5 years for killing two people. Muzzo's money may buy him a good defence, but it won't buy him a sentencing judge.

That's your prediction. Time will tell who's closer to the actual.


While you're at it, let us know your theory on why these big stories don't dominate the front page anymore:

Rob Ford Crack scandal
Gian Gomeshi graping scandal.
Oakville power plant scandal

Don't stop there...

I am the 99% protestors
Kony 2012

...I could keep going.


Bottom line - "sheeple" have an attention span of a goldfish. Talk to your friends in advertising.

 

[LoneRonin]

With all the debates on this I think one area has really started to gel for me as a partial solution to DWI...the people who were drinking with him should be charged as accessories to the crime.

Not the servers, because in the end it is very difficult for them to know how much he drank before and very hard for them to know if he is going to drive. The guys he was drinking with knew both. Instead today we go after the servers or the bar, the guys sitting with him at the table are much more responsible for the outcome.

Are you retarded??

When I'm getting licked and can't keep track of my own drinks or thoughts you really think I'm going to be keeping an eye on my buddy and know wtf he's thinking or planning to do??

Servers are responsible because they're SOBER, their judgment isn't impaired and they're trained on signs to look out for when people have had too much and to refuse service if necessary.

 

[Neil_V]

Muzzo's money may buy him a good defence, but it won't buy him a sentencing judge.

That's an optimistic assertion... Time will tell..

 

[nobbie48]

He is not charged with involuntary manslaughter, and involuntary manslaughter is not a lesser and included charge for anything that he is charged with.

It won't get swept under the rug any more than the latest fatal drunk driving conviction and sentencing was for a nobody. Precisely because it is a Muzzo, the media will remain all over it.

He will get far more than two years inside because of the acts leading up to it and his prior driving and public intoxication record. A kid with no such record and with spotless character references recently got 5 years for killing two people. Muzzo's money may buy him a good defence, but it won't buy him a sentencing judge.

I can't recall the names but an innocent woman was left paralyzed from a shooting and there was some deal where she got money and the sentences were reduced. It can be argued that it was overall for the best but it stunk in so many ways. We'll know in 10 years how it all plays out for MM.

Found it.

http://www.thestar.com/news/insight...louise_russo_sandwich_shop_shooting_deal.html

 

[griff2]

I can't recall the names but an innocent woman was left paralyzed from a shooting and there was some deal where she got money and the sentences were reduced. It can be argued that it was overall for the best but it stunk in so many ways. We'll know in 10 years how it all plays out for MM.

Found it.

http://www.thestar.com/news/insight...louise_russo_sandwich_shop_shooting_deal.html

Sentences were reduced from a possible 15 or even 20 years to 9 or 10 years plus the 2 years already spent in pre-trial custody. Massive restitution was paid to the direct victim as compensation for her injuries and long term care needs.

How will Muzzo compensate the four who died? With a better coffin, gravestone, gilded horses pulling quaint wooden hearses with big black plumes flowing from each corner, maybe even a nice large family plot in tony Mt Pleasant Cemetery?

I don't see that kind of deal happening.

 

[FLSTC]

Sadly, despite the high profile Muzzo case, there were at least two more fatalities this weekend- a student run over when an impaired driver drove up on the sidewalk at Western U, and a passenger in a car rear-ended by an impaired driver on Hwy 400 at the 407.