Can two wrongs make a right or are you committing fraud by representing yourself as the owner after you have sold it?
Did you sell it if you never got payment?
Can two wrongs make a right or are you committing fraud by representing yourself as the owner after you have sold it?
Probably not? The deal was money for object. They never paid you. Now, if they sent a legitimate deposit, you may be screwed. They gave you some consideration just not as much as you expected. That is a much greyer area than if you were never provided anything. Zero payment means contract is invalid and you own the object.Did you sell it if you never got payment?
Definitely a possibility that the unit is ‘stolen’ but the owner wants a payout."This car has been stolen, according to the police report. I still have the ownership, and the car is still in my name," said Baban.
Am I the only one who thinks he's the scammer? How do you sell something and not sign and hand over the ownership?
Pretty sure they, the issuing bank, can refuse to cash it for YOU. If you have the buyer with you, they'll cash it for them, and then let them hand you the cash but having no previous relationship with YOU they can refuse to hand you cash. All they have to say is "Question of identity" and they can hold the check for a week... or more.Just go to the issuing bank, cash the cheque to cash.
Take them to a bank with the purchaser in tow to verify. If the person doesn't like it..... next.No worries about counterfeit?
I guess you could do the same with certified cheque etc.Take them to a bank with the purchaser in tow to verify. If the person doesn't like it..... next.
Would be safe to assume there would be millions of fools then.Only a fool would take such an obviously fraudulent cheque from someone.
Well, the bill of sale clearly should state that the vehicle was sold for a certain amount of money. If that amount was not paid, then the transaction is voided.Well if the buyer doesn't process the paperwork, you could just go to SO and pay $20 for a replacement ownership.
I'm not sure of the legal implications to you at that point. You signed over the car to a buyer that screwed you
Can two wrongs make a right or are you committing fraud by representing yourself as the owner after you have sold it?
It just escalated to that point. There could be lots of reasons why.Would be safe to assume there would be millions of fools then.
Some kid seller there first car will not be a counterfeit expert neither would an old lady seller her dead husbands car etc. People who prey on people for a living are experts in the craft, most law abiding citizens are ignorant to the level of complexity of these scams.
All that being said, your theory of both parties being "in" on this scam makes sense, what doesn't make sense is reporting it to the news and eventually the police.
Thieves used to break into offices and steal computers, the petty cash and the embossing machinesYou can buy cheque embossing machines off Etsy ... heck we have 1 here in the office that isn't used.
The police would possibly see it as two separate events. The sale and the fraudulent check.Did you sell it if you never got payment?
I don't open the garage for strangers. Item for sale is outside before they arrive (or even better, if it is easy to transport like a vehicle, I meet them somewhere away from home).Had a very strange encounter last week. Have a 40k vehicle posted for sale, received message from someone interested to come view. I said sure.
I opened the garage and it was a 16 year old kid standing there with a backpack on. I immediately knew it was going to be a waste of time. Could tell it must've been his first time looking at a car. Spent 2 mins looking at it, asking a few questions. I asked how he got here? A bus he said. Then said he would talk to his dad, he walked down the street and then another kid rounded the corner whom he met up with.
Shortly later I get a text from his "dad" Will you accept 35k? I can send him over with a cheque right now. I said no I really don't care if I sell or not, $39,000 its yours. He immediately says no problem and agrees. Will send kid over now. I said is it a certified bank draft? No but I can send you a photo of my license so you have my address. We went back and forth saying I need him to come meet me at the bank (I knew it was a scam, just kind of playing with them) etc etc, then I said the bank is closed, need to wait until it's open. Unless "dad" was multi-millionaire highly doubtful he would just write a cheque for that kind of money sight unseen, not asking about a safety, or a single thing about the vehicle.
Didn't hear from him the next day. I sent a text at 5pm "Thanks a lot for wasting my time. You should really do more research on who you're trying to scam, I have you on video and your fingerprints and will be more than willing to give them to my brother who is a detective at Peel police. Only an idiot would accept a personal cheque these days"
He then sent about 10 texts claiming his innocence, including "you can't accuse me of scamming you just because I'm_______ (insert skin color)
All I replied was, "I have everything I need, have a nice day"
Wanted to scare him off so he never came back around, I think maybe they were just looking for an easy vehicle, hoping I'd leave it running while he was looking at it so he could drive off.
They were waiting for you to turn your back and would steal it most likely.Had a very strange encounter last week. Have a 40k vehicle posted for sale, received message from someone interested to come view. I said sure.
I opened the garage and it was a 16 year old kid standing there with a backpack on. I immediately knew it was going to be a waste of time. Could tell it must've been his first time looking at a car. Spent 2 mins looking at it, asking a few questions. I asked how he got here? A bus he said. Then said he would talk to his dad, he walked down the street and then another kid rounded the corner whom he met up with.
Shortly later I get a text from his "dad" Will you accept 35k? I can send him over with a cheque right now. I said no I really don't care if I sell or not, $39,000 its yours. He immediately says no problem and agrees. Will send kid over now. I said is it a certified bank draft? No but I can send you a photo of my license so you have my address. We went back and forth saying I need him to come meet me at the bank (I knew it was a scam, just kind of playing with them) etc etc, then I said the bank is closed, need to wait until it's open. Unless "dad" was multi-millionaire highly doubtful he would just write a cheque for that kind of money sight unseen, not asking about a safety, or a single thing about the vehicle.
Didn't hear from him the next day. I sent a text at 5pm "Thanks a lot for wasting my time. You should really do more research on who you're trying to scam, I have you on video and your fingerprints and will be more than willing to give them to my brother who is a detective at Peel police. Only an idiot would accept a personal cheque these days"
He then sent about 10 texts claiming his innocence, including "you can't accuse me of scamming you just because I'm_______ (insert skin color)
All I replied was, "I have everything I need, have a nice day"
Wanted to scare him off so he never came back around, I think maybe they were just looking for an easy vehicle, hoping I'd leave it running while he was looking at it so he could drive off.