And Justin did not design it.
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- Thread starter Chris-CJ
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An interesting statistics on suicide is that not all attempts are successful and 60% of the survivors regretted the attempt the second they jumped or whatever. That would imply that 60% of the successful would have regretted had they survived.
Some came out pretty messed up from falls from heights or jumping in front of trains.
A clarification is needed between MAiD and suicide, suicide often being emotionally motivated.
Some came out pretty messed up from falls from heights or jumping in front of trains.
A clarification is needed between MAiD and suicide, suicide often being emotionally motivated.
By the time you printed something that large with a reasonably affordable printer, you would have died of old age.
That may be the most literal example of "survivorship bias" I've ever heard...
100% of successful suicide attempts had 0 regrets.
I got the stats from a psychiatrist. Maybe there was a bit of "Sh** this is going to hurt" built into the 60 percenters.That may be the most literal example of "survivorship bias" I've ever heard...
100% of successful suicide attempts had 0 regrets.
We got talking about the subject when I mentioned a couple of people I knew that committed suicide. They seemed to be so happy and at peace with everything.
Apparently that is common. Once they've made the decision, they know that whatever is tormenting them will, at a given time, no longer be their master.
Yeah, I was just being facetious about the stats.
The reality backs up your numbers. Only about 10-15% of unsuccessful suicide attempts eventually end up dead by suicide again.
They're not doing it with a roomfull of Enders. They'll have someone like MX3D that printed this stainless steel bridge in Amsterdam print them.
Their (MX3D's) original proof-of-concept 5-6ish years ago was to have it done in situ by robot printers that "walked" across the bridge as they printed it. Trials showed it to be not feasible for now.
Apparently, MAID CANNOT be considered the sixth leading cause of death in Canada, because it is not officially recognized as a cause of death.
Claims mislead on Canada's medical assistance in dying law
Claims mislead on Canada's medical assistance in dying law
Interesting. I don't know the best way to account for Maid in the stats. Assuming it is an underlying health issue not poverty that drives the decision, I can see the argument that the underlying condition should get the tick. I don't think we should call it the sixth leading cause of death for that reason. However, I think it is important to document and publish how many people use the program (and vitally important to document how many people choose it to escape poverty). Similar to unassisted suicide, the more you know the more you can see if there are opportunities to prolong quality life for the affected people. The answer for most may be nothing else could reasonably be done however if you don't document and analyze you can't even answer the question.
Suicides are included the stats. MAID is not included in those numbers.
I believe it should be included as a cause of death. It's not a number to be particularly proud of.
We should be working on dealing with the causes, and therefore keeping the numbers at the top of our minds.
It's a number like abortions. There are reasons for having them, but we need to remove the underlying causes as much as possible.
The best approach is likely something like a coroners report. They include the cause and manner of death. That way you can list the manner of death as maid and cause of death as cancer (for instance). If someone has terminal cancer and chooses not to suffer for a few more weeks, I don't think that should drive policy to preserve life at all costs. Now, if maid is being used overwhelmingly for cases with the cause of death being mental health or poverty, obviously we should look at investing more in those areas to minimize the people that can't take it any longer.
I would go with Reason for death: Cancer. Cause of death: Maid. Since maid is the cause of death, unless you want to go into specifics.
Sure, that can work. I was just trying to maintain consistency with an established and accepted process (ie. coroners reports). Existing choices for manner of death are natural, accidental, homicide, suicide and undetermined. Adding maid to that list seems like a reasonable extension. Choices for cause of death are the specific disease or injury (eg. exsanguination, cancer, CVA, etc).
Bishop Tutu: "We've got to stop just pulling bodies out of the river. We have to go upstream to see why they're falling in."
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