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It is in general a good thing to have that option but with any changes like this there will be growing pains as it is a new thing. Due to this it is impossible that it will be 100% perfect out of the gate on who it is for and who it is not for....

IMO this is exactly that example, it should have never been mentioned/offered in this context, but at the same time we as a society are working through this new path. Bad that it was offered in this context, worse if we do not learn from it... We have similar problems where for certain people want it but it is not yet an option as they do not fit the criteria but should, learn, fix, move forward.

It will of course create the usual drama that we should never as a society made this an option because look at corner cases XY and Z to a certain crowd. How dare the government do anything....
 
GreyGhost said:
The meds aren't that expensive. In fact, there can be backlash that makes a mess so the companies are probably just as happy not supplying them. The drugs that were used for lethal injection are basically unobtanium as the drug companies didn't want to be associated/face the backlash for not much money. That leaves some states on a choose your own adventure that often works poorly.
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Wouldn't put it past Trudeau to buy a billion dose supply and make it worth while for someone.
 
DownUnder said:
Wouldn't put it past Trudeau to buy a billion dose supply and make it worth while for someone.
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It is normally prescribed drugs. Nothing special in the kit nor dedicated for the purpose. I'm not sure who pays as it's a federal program but healthcare is provincial.

In an interesting twist "Insurance companies have agreed not to withhold life insurance benefits from patients who have chosen MAID and the Coroner's Office will help families with insurance claims.". Spin up a huge policy right before you check out? That is going to get amended quickly as it is unsustainable. On the flip side, needing to suffer through cancer to die instead of choosing maid to ensure insurance pays is also unpalatable.
 
GreyGhost said:
It is normally prescribed drugs. Nothing special in the kit nor dedicated for the purpose. I'm not sure who pays as it's a federal program but healthcare is provincial.

In an interesting twist "Insurance companies have agreed not to withhold life insurance benefits from patients who have chosen MAID and the Coroner's Office will help families with insurance claims.". Spin up a huge policy right before you check out? That is going to get amended quickly as it is unsustainable. On the flip side, needing to suffer through cancer to die instead of choosing maid to ensure insurance pays is also unpalatable.
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Most likely for personal policies they have a clause already that limits or omits payout for a period of time time in case of suicide (or MAiD) or even death by misadventure. I know my personal policy I got in the 90s at the time would not pay out on these types of things for I think one year, but accidental from day one. They had specifics for death by misadventure like skydiving...
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Add, never mind they will never pass the "physical" or other medical screening required for anything truly big dollar.... In the end, we know one truth, the insurance industry almost always has their butt 100% covered!
 
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GreyGhost said:
The meds aren't that expensive. In fact, there can be backlash that makes a mess so the companies are probably just as happy not supplying them. The drugs that were used for lethal injection are basically unobtanium as the drug companies didn't want to be associated/face the backlash for not much money. That leaves some states on a choose your own adventure that often works poorly.
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Eli Timoner, the founder of the now defunct Air Florida chose the path of assisted suicide.
He was prescribed a cocktail of (a) pills to reduce nausea (b) Digoxin, to slow the heart (c) DMA powder.
He had a wait time of 15 days and two separate Zoom interviews by different doctors before proceeding with his choice.
All documented in a real-life movie.
www.theguardian.com

Last Flight Home review – heartbreaking portrait of assisted dying

Documentary maker Ondi Timoner follows her desperately ill father, and his family, after he decides to exercise his right under Californian law
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Chris-CJ said:
Eli Timoner, the founder of the now defunct Air Florida chose the path of assisted suicide.
He was prescribed a cocktail of (a) pills to reduce nausea (b) Digoxin, to slow the heart (c) DMA powder.
He had a wait time of 15 days and two separate Zoom interviews by different doctors before proceeding with his choice.
All documented in a real-life movie.
www.theguardian.com

Last Flight Home review – heartbreaking portrait of assisted dying

Documentary maker Ondi Timoner follows her desperately ill father, and his family, after he decides to exercise his right under Californian law
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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We are normally midazolam, propofol, rocuronium.
 
GreyGhost said:
In my mind, it's clearly preferable to the path of a few older men I knew that ate a gun and were found by their wives. Obviously some mental demons involved but brutal for the family.
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Should have used Woody's technique from this flick.
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Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri (2017) - IMDb

Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri: Directed by Martin McDonagh. With Frances McDormand, Caleb Landry Jones, Kerry Condon, Sam Rockwell. A mother personally challenges the local authorities to solve her daughter's murder when they fail to catch the culprit.
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ToSlow said:
Happens everyday in hospitals, they let the pentience starve and feed them morphine till death. Seems cruel but it is quicker than dragging out a painful suffering till death knocks
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In assisted living spots you would be amazed to know the percentage of folks that take their last ride to the big house AKA the hospital for a UTI.
Just another one of life's fun facts that one would be happier to not know.
 
ToSlow said:
Happens everyday in hospitals, they let the pentience starve and feed them morphine till death. Seems cruel but it is quicker than dragging out a painful suffering till death knocks
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Doesn't happen every day in hospitals. Hospitals do thier best to get people to hospices where they can come to a dignified end of life. My wife was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer on March 4. Placed in Waterloo hospice March 14 unable to be fed in any way. And she passed on March 31.
On heavy painkillers, it was dignified but horrible to watch.
 
I've seen my fair share of this happening in hospitals. My brother father mother mil and fil. so yeah it happens every day. Maybe not in the same hospitals. But happens every day also forgot to mention my 36yr old nephew
 
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ToSlow said:
I've seen my fair share of this happening in hospitals. My brother father mother mil and fil. so yeah it happens every day. Maybe not in the same hospitals. But happens every day
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Toronto?
 
Wife works in a hospital, I just asked her , she doesn’t recall anybody starving the didn’t want to .


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crankcall said:
Wife works in a hospital, I just asked her , she doesn’t recall anybody starving the didn’t want to .


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I do know of some situations where the morphine pump was set at an optimistic but medically supportable level for terminal patients with a DNR. If the patient pressed the button enough times there was the possibility of respiratory depression. I haven't heard of with-holding food from anyone that wanted it. To be fair, when you're ill, hospital food is not really popular even when you have lots of it available.
 
crankcall said:
Wife works in a hospital, I just asked her , she doesn’t recall anybody starving the didn’t want to .


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That's not what i was meaning by saying the hospitals let them starve because they rfused to provide the means of life. but i'm sure you know that,
 
ToSlow said:
Happens everyday in hospitals, they let the pentience starve and feed them morphine till death. Seems cruel but it is quicker than dragging out a painful suffering till death knocks
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You could have worded it better.
 
Mom passed in a hospice. Like @ToSlow says she was unable to eat so her diet was mostly pain meds.
FWIW The Oak Ridges Hospice in Port Perry was top notch. Everything they did was in order to support Mom and make things easier for us. The rooms are individually licensed so you can even bring in alcohol and see somebody off with a toast. Or in our case just to let the family have drink at the end of a trying day.
 
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