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BigEvilDoer said:
Here's a quick synopsis of what they're looking for:
Head movement to ensure you're looking at stuff all around you and not target fixating - yes, exaggerate movement, and if you have a solid coloured helmet, put a stripe or sticker on the back so that it's easy to see your head turning.

Make sure you also check your mirrors regularly - like every 8 seconds or so, again, making it obvious.

Proper lane positioning is key.

When changing lanes make sure you do the entire sequence. Mirror check, signal, mirror, shoulder, change lanes. They will always add in a "When it is safe to do so" when giving you instructions on lane changes.

Stop *BEFORE* the stop bar, NOT on or past it.

Read up on the entire emergency pull over sequence in your MTO book.

When on the ramps, follow the yellow posted limits. Accelerate smoothly and merge with traffic AT HIGHWAY SPEED. If a vehicle has to apply the brakes when you merge in, it's an automatic fail as you have performed an unsafe act.

And, be certain your bike is in proper operating condition - a surprising number (close to 15% actually) of people get bounced right off the hop. Make sure your blinkers and tail lights etc all work correctly. No leaking fluids including fork seals. The tester will give your bike a quick once over before you ever start it.
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That's no help at all.
They are looking for so many other things and the things you mentioned are a very small amount of what is expected of you.

Good luck.
 
Low rider said:
That's no help at all.
They are looking for so many other things and the things you mentioned are a very small amount of what is expected of you.

Good luck.
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Care to share what is missing since you come off as some kinda know it all, or keep on being a criticial with no added value to the conversation.
 
sburns said:
Care to share what is missing since you come off as some kinda know it all, or keep on being a criticial with no added value to the conversation.
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There is so much more.
Stop positioning at stop signs and stop lights.

Clearing an intersection
Pedestrian checks.

Yadda yadda

You need to take a course to pass
 
Low rider said:
There is so much more.
Stop positioning at stop signs and stop lights.

Clearing an intersection
Pedestrian checks.

Yadda yadda

You need to take a course to pass
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Well, I passed the test WITHOUT the course with a grand total of 2 demerits, out of the 25 you're allowed before you fail.

If you re-read my post again, I said that it was a QUICK SYNOPSIS of what was expected - I pointed out the most common errors made which cause people to fail.

With a 3 second google search, I came up with the MTO test, as posted here on GTAM.

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You mention stop positioning - that's exactly what I said when I mentioned "before the bar". Sure, there are other points, but most demerits are caused by stopping on or past the bar.

Pedestrian checks - same as head movement - indicates you are looking at what's going on around you.
Notice how many demerits you can get for "not look at hazard" and "no head movement". A ton. That's why I mentioned it in my quick synopsis.

If you need someone to hold your hand and go through each box on the test I'm sure lots of people here would be willing to chime in.
 
BigEvilDoer said:
Well, I passed the test WITHOUT the course with a grand total of 2 demerits, out of the 25 you're allowed before you fail.

If you re-read my post again, I said that it was a QUICK SYNOPSIS of what was expected - I pointed out the most common errors made which cause people to fail.

With a 3 second google search, I came up with the MTO test, as posted here on GTAM.

Google Drive: Sign-in

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drive.google.com

You mention stop positioning - that's exactly what I said when I mentioned "before the bar". Sure, there are other points, but most demerits are caused by stopping on or past the bar.

Pedestrian checks - same as head movement - indicates you are looking at what's going on around you.
Notice how many demerits you can get for "not look at hazard" and "no head movement". A ton. That's why I mentioned it in my quick synopsis.

If you need someone to hold your hand and go through each box on the test I'm sure lots of people here would be willing to chime in.
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So glad you posted that sheet. That is also a massive help.
 
KWDRZ said:
So glad you posted that sheet. That is also a massive help.
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Best thing I can tell you, is that if you can't afford the course or don't want to take it, re-read the MTO handbook several times. Make it a habit to ride exactly how the book tells you. Part 2, make yourself feel like a bobble head - looking at everything all the time, and force the habit of the mirror checks.
 
Just reading that PDF isn't that helpful to some.
A person talking and explaining each really helps understand what is expected
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