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Looks like Ford...Got it done!

mimico_polak said:
Yup. 680 stated it was the ‘worst turnout ever’ for a provincial election. 60% of eligible voters did NOT show up.

The **** show that was the NDP and Liberals, and the clear fact that there was no stopping Ford were probably the main reasons….but pitiful is the right word.
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Less than 40% of eligible voters could be bothered, so Doug's landslide was 17% of those that could but did/didn't. We asked for it.
I'm still p*ssed about his non-handling of the Freedom Convoy and when he was MIA off snowmobiling at the height of the Covid crisis but its all water under the bridge now...
 
Ford's last announced budget before the election (what he was running on) was centre maybe even slightly centre left. Tax cuts under 50K earnings, lots of spending all over, then more spending... etc, etc, etc. Basically he out positioned the other two parties. Socially there are still lots of bigots in the mix, in the party, but he has kept their mouths pretty much entirely shut running a tight ship on them. Will the federal guys learn anything from this, that is the next big question???

Combine the above with the pandemic out of the front lines and many people not wanting change....

What cracks me up is the comments about this being a conservative blue shift.... might want to look at the platform and budget again....
 
TK4 said:
Less than 40% of eligible voters could be bothered, so Doug's landslide was 17% of those that could but did/didn't. We asked for it.
I'm still p*ssed about his non-handling of the Freedom Convoy and when he was MIA off snowmobiling at the height of the Covid crisis but its all water under the bridge now...
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Just a little bit of a jurisdictional issue.

It was a bad enough mess from the Mayor and Prime Minister getting involved.

The commission to investigate the invocation emergencies act now has to be wrapped up by December.

At some point someone has to figure out how to get more workers who want to change adult diapers and stabilize/fix the retirement homes situation. Can't have workers moving between facilities during a pandemic. Calling in the army was a bold move, in that it showed that the government couldn't get the situation under control without the additional manpower. Many people retired early or left for different careers from nursing, teaching, ece, nursing homes etc. We need a long term plan and a strategic reserve to try and bridge hard times in these areas.
 
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backmarkerducati said:
Ford's last announced budget before the election (what he was running on) was centre maybe even slightly centre left. Tax cuts under 50K earnings, lots of spending all over, then more spending... etc, etc, etc. Basically he out positioned the other two parties. Socially there are still lots of bigots in the mix, in the party, but he has kept their mouths pretty much entirely shut running a tight ship on them. Will the federal guys learn anything from this, that is the next big question???

Combine the above with the pandemic out of the front lines and many people not wanting change....

What cracks me up is the comments about this being a conservative blue shift.... might want to look at the platform and budget again....
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I think the shift is in the party, which caused the shift in the electorate. Getting to and holding the center ground has always been the 'sweet spot' for Federal and Ontario politics. The key thing to own is the center -- that keeps the liberals and NDP splitting the left vote.

I notice Ford doing a few smart things:

  • Recruiting strong local leaders as candidates into winnable ridings. Good strategy, also good to have capable politicians with hands on leadership experience.
  • Keeping his yap closed -- he's not a great orator, and he's not great at handling loaded questions. Address things afterthought, advice, and prep -- as opposed to in real-time when with a skill deficit.
  • Build and fix highways - lotsa jobs, relieves congestion, unlocks currently inaccessible economic opportunity.
  • Connecting with the working class. They want homes, jobs, reduced taxes, and someone to spar with JT over things like carbon taxes.
  • Sensible changes that benefit electors without hurting them too. Eliminating license sticker fees, removing tolls of 412 & 418, cutting transit fares for GO to transit transfers in the 905.
  • Outmaneuver Liberals on Liberal things - child care, increasing the minimum wage, building LTC

It's tough to unseat popular incumbents, it can take a decade or more unless something cataclysmic happens. Watch what happens to Windsor over the next little while -- they're going to see investments pumped into neighboring Essex thanks to deals brokered to the province. Next election they'll want some. Look at the north, the all-Orange north saw more blue than ever, with the golden nugget riding switching to Blue. .
 
Priller said:
4. Later on, their choices about what to open and what to keep closed were just bizarre, particularly related to schools. Having bars and hair salons open but schools closed is insane, especially for those with kids under 12 bouncing off the walls at home.
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We’re they forced by law to carry those pregnancies to term?
 
Baggsy said:
Just a little bit of a jurisdictional issue.



At some point someone has to figure out how to get more workers who want to change adult diapers and stabilize/fix the retirement homes situation. Can't have workers moving between facilities during a pandemic. Calling in the army was a bold move, in that it showed that the government couldn't get the situation under control without the additional manpower. Many people retired early or left for different careers from nursing, teaching, ece, nursing homes etc. We need a long term plan and a strategic reserve to try and bridge hard times in these areas.
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Calling in the army was a bold move, my view would be no one could get the situation under control without additional manpower, and we had thgat manpower available , already on the payroll , happy to get a break from freezing genital warts off cadets. We pay those guys in green a reasonable wage , deploying them was good use of thier talent and our resource.
You cant have 25% drop in staff with sickness and create a new generation of nurses and doctors in 3-6 months .

How to fix the retiremnet home situation is going to require serious and committed oversight , those places are well meaning but sadly under staffed and equiped for the job.

What scares me , and we are seeing it still is the great retirement wave , and its everywhere . Nurses, doctors , teachers , machinists, electrical techs that were close to aging out just left, close enough. And the ones that had an out are not coming back.
So we have created a gap where people in the service industry , that worked 10hrs a day , at weird times , and never had a chance to pursue different employ , had a shot and took it. Now EVERY restaurant i visit , every mall I walk through and most buildings I see have a shingle out "help needed" . Part of the labour pool left and the other part moved up. Big hole to fill .
 
crankcall said:
How to fix the retirement home situation is going to require serious and committed oversight , those places are well meaning but sadly under staffed and equipped for the job.
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Put the brakes on 'for profit' private facilities (thanks Mike Harris) and pay the workers a decent wage. It's not rocket surgery.
 
TK4 said:
Put the brakes on 'for profit' private facilities (thanks Mike Harris) and pay the workers a decent wage. It's not rocket surgery.
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Sadly, not that simple. LTC done well is very expensive and we keep zombies alive for many years so both individual care costs and number of beds required are very high. I really think the only way to balance public spending with maintaining an acceptable standard of care is to have a mechanism to stop the bleeding once a person has no quality of life anymore. As a first step, a pre-authorized MAiD works where you outline the conditions under which you have had it (eg. no obvious recognition of family, must wear diapers, cannot walk, whatever, the list can be long). In the future, a doctor (or panel or family or . . .) can see where you on on the checklist and whether you have reached the end of the life you chose. We have gotten very good at extending life but suck at extending quality of living. If that step wasn't sufficient, the next step could be that public money pays until you reach a certain state and then you are free to pay privately if you want but the public purse is shut. Similar to brain death. These people are never coming back mentally, does it make sense to pay hundreds of thousands to keep them physically alive in perpetuity? Obviously safeguards are critical.
 
mimico_polak said:
What's the worst that can happen?

I'm realistic.
Good at talking to people.
No political experience.
Non-shady past for the most part.

Wait...I should re-think this strategy...
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Scratch, or don't tell anyone the first point and basically you can be hired, really, just look at the experience of some of the leadership..
 
Mad Mike said:
I think the shift is in the party, which caused the shift in the electorate. Getting to and holding the center ground has always been the 'sweet spot' for Federal and Ontario politics. The key thing to own is the center -- that keeps the liberals and NDP splitting the left vote.

I notice Ford doing a few smart things:

  • Recruiting strong local leaders as candidates into winnable ridings. Good strategy, also good to have capable politicians with hands on leadership experience.
  • Keeping his yap closed -- he's not a great orator, and he's not great at handling loaded questions. Address things afterthought, advice, and prep -- as opposed to in real-time when with a skill deficit.
  • Build and fix highways - lotsa jobs, relieves congestion, unlocks currently inaccessible economic opportunity.
  • Connecting with the working class. They want homes, jobs, reduced taxes, and someone to spar with JT over things like carbon taxes.
  • Sensible changes that benefit electors without hurting them too. Eliminating license sticker fees, removing tolls of 412 & 418, cutting transit fares for GO to transit transfers in the 905.
  • Outmaneuver Liberals on Liberal things - child care, increasing the minimum wage, building LTC

It's tough to unseat popular incumbents, it can take a decade or more unless something cataclysmic happens. Watch what happens to Windsor over the next little while -- they're going to see investments pumped into neighboring Essex thanks to deals brokered to the province. Next election they'll want some. Look at the north, the all-Orange north saw more blue than ever, with the golden nugget riding switching to Blue. .
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Ford's people figured out (and did) what the Federal Con's haven't been able to wrap their heads around... that small-c Conservative thinking is generally well liked in Canada...

Financially conservative policies are usually well received; it's the so-con stuff that shoots them in the foot every. damn. time.

I don't love Ford; but I like him - and compared to the other two options, he was head and shoulders above in basically every way.

During the pandemic, he showed he can listen to experts and change courses, rather then stick rigidly to a plan, just because it's the plan..

We did our part and gave him the mandate - now it's up to Doug, to see if he really can get it done...
 
sburns said:
Scratch, or don't tell anyone the first point and basically you can be hired, really, just look at the experience of some of the leadership..
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I'm only missing one thing...the money!
 
crankcall said:
Calling in the army was a bold move, my view would be no one could get the situation under control without additional manpower, and we had thgat manpower available , already on the payroll , happy to get a break from freezing genital warts off cadets. We pay those guys in green a reasonable wage , deploying them was good use of thier talent and our resource.
You cant have 25% drop in staff with sickness and create a new generation of nurses and doctors in 3-6 months .

How to fix the retiremnet home situation is going to require serious and committed oversight , those places are well meaning but sadly under staffed and equiped for the job.

What scares me , and we are seeing it still is the great retirement wave , and its everywhere . Nurses, doctors , teachers , machinists, electrical techs that were close to aging out just left, close enough. And the ones that had an out are not coming back.
So we have created a gap where people in the service industry , that worked 10hrs a day , at weird times , and never had a chance to pursue different employ , had a shot and took it. Now EVERY restaurant i visit , every mall I walk through and most buildings I see have a shingle out "help needed" . Part of the labour pool left and the other part moved up. Big hole to fill .
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Army. Good they were capable, bad that they were required. OPS should have been better -- first, their leader failed, when he was removed was nothing left behind him. Hurts my brain to think we pay Sunshine salaries to 1500 OPS officers.

Retirement homes. The entire approach to caring for the elderly needs overhauling. I don't have all the answers, but things I'd like to see are tax breaks for families delivering their own elder care (at least equal to the burden they lift from the system). And more oversight of care and employment standards for the industry.

Service industry. This one puzzles me. CERB/CRB was certainly a factor, the unemployment rate dropped precipitously (more than 50% in 90 days) once that program dried up. There are 500,000 unemployed in Ontario, and another 250,000 able-bodied people living on welfare. How can they be motivated to fill the open jobs? I get that there will always be situations that warrant UI, but when the economy roaring and starving for workers, perhaps the rules should be tightened.
 
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