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johnp said:
^ I think ashkan was hinting that maybe Hitler wasn't that anti-semitic after all, since he put them in high positions. That Hitler was misunderstood, and maybe got a bad rap. Edit so I was just being sarcastic when I said 'pro'.
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I got the sarcasm. You explain to me how if he was against ALL Jews when he had many Jeish soldiers and these men in high positions? Im not making a point and for the 5th time defending him. im asking because aybe theres something i dont know and im not being sarcastic.
 
ashkan said:
..... he had many Jeish soldiers and these men in high positions?.........
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^ what makes you think any of that is true? What's your evidence? And I am not being sarcastic either - if you have evidence I would like to read it.

Apart from that fact that probably everybody including Hitler has some Jewish blood. I doubt very much that any of Hitler's staff was openly a Jew though - which I think is what you're saying.

I do know a guy that served in the Hungarian army (allied with Germany) and was definitely 'out' as a Jew. Now when Hungary surrendered (which was before the Germans surrendered) he was tossed into a concentration camp, where he survived the war. So there may have been many more like him - but it was not OK to be a Jew in Nazi Germany which is what your post suggests.
 
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I guess freedom of speech only works when you are politically correct, if you deny the holocaust you can be jailed in some countries, you can deny WW1 and WW2, any other atrocity in the world and no one will give a damn but if you deny the holocaust all hell breaks loose.

Infact there is a law against Holocaust denial in many countries

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_against_Holocaust_denial

India state of Gujarat had text books praising Hitler(some extremists behind it not the general population ofcourse)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4711475.stm

Hitler was descended from Jews and Africans He Hated............the irony

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1305414/Hitler-descended-Jews-Africans-DNA-tests-reveal.html

That reminds of an awesome skit Dave Chappelle did

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i9iTYe6tEk

A good book on how Holocaust is used for political and financial gains, as well further the interest of Israel, written by Norman Finkelstein a very well respected intellectual whose family on both sides was killed in the holocaust by the Nazi and his parents were survivors of Auschwitz.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust_Industry
 
^ none of that is evidence that the holocaust didn't happen or that Jews were not persecuted (along with many other groups, like Gypsy's and communists for example) during Nazi Germany.
 
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I guess freedom of speech only works when you are politically correct, if you deny the holocaust you can be jailed in some countries, you can deny WW1 and WW2, any other atrocity in the world and no one will give a damn but if you deny the holocaust all hell breaks loose.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust_Industry
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I couldnt agree with you more. Not saying anything about Holocaust, just saying that this freedom of speech is an illusion and only allowed as long as you speak in favoure of what they want. Ive been to some countries that we in the west call undemocratic with no human right or freedom of speech but in reality, they do exactly what our governments do. As long as you talk about what they want, they dont bother you, the second you said anything against them, youre jailed. And why is it that Holocaust gets so much attention and respect and yet all the people who were killed by Americans in Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Korea (all wars waged by Americans, never defensive) or their use of the atom bomb on civilians get any respect. Are those civilians blood any less important? did they not bleed? do they not have families to mourn them? or is it that in the west, we are just as hypocritical and biased as every other country we criticize? As far as im concerned, none of those countries that i just names have waged war on anyone in the past few decades while Americans have been killing their people in their own land.
 
LiNK666 said:
You mean jews were clensing jews? Jew on Jew hate makes me sick
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Many of the founders of Communism were Jewish....and thusly atheist...and paradoxically then anti-Jewish...at least in the whole-foundation-of their-nation sense!

Prior to the Jewish faith they were just a loose association of tribes spread throughout Egypt and Canaan. They are not a race of people by any stretch, but rather TRIBES!

Hitler's hatred for the Jews as well as other non-Anglos was indeed racist, but what made the Jews a particular focal point for him was their culture. The Slavs are after all "White" also, but not a sophisticated advanced "white culture" in his opinion. He also felt America's Black population would hinder American society, though he respected American "white" prowess (to a degree). Hitler also tried uniting with the (brother) white culture of the British, almost successfully too. But I digress...

The Jews are not a race. They do however belong to a sub-race (if one were to get technical), the Semite race, which is actually an Arab race originating in Ethipioa and Yemen. The "purest" of the race would be Yemenese (Arabs / Jews). The current crop of Jews in Israel or around the world today are actually NOT a race, but a loosely defined tribe of many races. I say loosely because they are neither majority Semite, nor are they even united by religion as many prominent Jews are actually atheist!

Just to get technical, the term Jewish refers to a tribal affliliation to Judah, son of Jacob and brother to Joseph. (YES the very brothers who were jealous of Joseph and dumped him into the well / pit because they felt their father Jacob favoured Joseph!) That's one hell of an instance of Jew on Jew hate if I have ever heard of it....thus kicking off the term Jew and forming the affiliation of Jewish tribes based on the names of the brothers of Judah and their decendents! Rather than kill Joseph, they later "mercifully" sold him off! But back to the point....more crucially the culture of the Jews, prior to their definition as such, is via the Abrahamic lineage and tradition. Of which the currently Muslim / Christian Arabs are also derivative! So in reality, Jews are NOT a race at all, but a sub-sect / tribal splinter affiliation of the wider Abrahamic / Arab / Semite culture and race! Isaac being the ancestor of the modern Judaic faith, while Ismael (or Ishmael - the tribe Judah and his brothers sold Joseph to!) being the ancestor of the modern Muslim faith, places the two cultures and religions squarly decendent from Abraham, who was of course an Arab / Semite! We also know that Hitler did not openly plot, enact or target Arabs as a race, so we can see here that Hitler was not actually an anti-Semite (on racial pretext alone).

So as I say, with regard to Jews, there is PLENTY of Jew on Jew hate, while at the same time, Hitler was less a racist with regard to Jews and more a...."culturalist"?

Modern Jews as was true in Hitler's time are a people united by culture rather than race or religion. It was precisely this culture, that Hitler found objectionable. Additionally, Hitler's eugenics rooted rationale was primarily an American popular scientific mode of thought at the time developed by Darwin and his cousin Francis Galton. Hilter's Nazi Germany was a Frankenstein progression of that basic racial supremecist attitude developed and cultivated in the US.

So yes, there is Jew on Jew hate in spades and the issue of Hitler was a complicated and complicit fiasco on the part of mant cultures and peoples, even Jews!.....also Marxist and Leninist Communism!!! Oh and don't forget usury based modern Capitalist economics. Many of these systems in and of themselves are actually fundamentally contrary to orthodox purist Jewish culture and faith and once again in my opinion Jew on Jew "hate" if you will. Lest I not forget to mention extensive Jewish participation in the porn industry as yet another example of Jew on Jew "hate".

Jew on Jew hate comes in the following forms:
1) Denial of their Messiah (aparently Jesus did not fulfill certain prophecies, but he was non the less a Jew (by tribal affiliation) continuing in their (now skewed by Judaic standards, due to the Christian sect) tradition.
2) Jews in their own documented history continually back slid against their God and constrantly required even stern direction and punishment / self punishment.
3) Current Israeli racism between darker Jews (Ethipian and Arabs) and white Jews (Slavs and Anglos).
4) A whole crop of Atheist Jews who have throughout history put their societal standing ahead of tribal / religious alliegences to the Jewish people / God; from those complicent with Nazi Germany, to those who refused to flee the Crusades in Moorish Spain for financial / social gain, to those who crafted and implemented atheist Communism.
5) Zionism as a false prophesy. Many Orthodox Jews feel the kingdom of Israel is to be granted only by God and must meet certain prophetic criteria, all of which have not been the case with the current Zionist Israeli state. As such the state is Israel is felt by some in the Jewish community as a heresy and quite anti-Jewish in the strictest purest sense!
6) Mordechai Vanunu and his persecution by the Israeli state for revealing to the world that Israel was secretly developing a nuclear programme and had nuclear capabilities while it lied to the entire world. Though he converted to Christianity the year before he blew the whitsle, he is still by tribal definition a Jew and as such is "hated" by his own people, for exposing their WMD lie, especially embarrassing the US and Israel publicly.
7) The intertribal / kindom wars between the Kingdom of Judah and the Kingdom of Israel.

The list goes on.

Also don't forget the the infamous "self hating Jew" brand on any Jew who doesn't support Zionism which they place on their own.


PS the Hitler shop is funny for a few reason, the least of which not being the somewhat ignorant over-zealous incorporation of all things Western to seem trendy or elitist in India. In particular, when watching Indian movies, I am deeply aggravated when random English is peppered into the conversation for elitist effect. There is no way words like "sorry" or "justice" do not exist natively in Indian languages and it is pathetic to see that level of "white washing" take place.

The whole Hitler shop matter is also not that serious, as the intention was not to promote racism, but rather promote elitism within Indian society (well I may concede this too is actually internally racist, based on a caste system supported by preference for whiter, "light skinned" Indians), while at the same time totally over looking the most ironic part! Hitler too ignorantly borrowed motifs from foreign cultures (part of the German Nietzsche-an schoolof thought of self promotion through cultural fabircation), from the swastika to the Roman themes used at his rallies. Here, rather than finding the "hip" value in the NATIVELY INDIAN swastika, the modern Indian elitist, self denying culture, overlooks the authentic, genuine motif and instead tilts the symbol on a 45 degree angle like the Nazis! Biting a biter to emulate the West....how ironically sad and humorous!
 
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Fingolfin said:
The origins of Roma people are not hindu or from indai as you are applying, there were a mixed group originating out of the middle east/ eastern Europe, big difference..
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Correct. The modern Roma / Gypsy is considered to be or Tatar or Central Asian decent. Among some beliefs, especially in places like Romania, they also believe the term may have come from Egypt, as their lineage may even go as far back as a roaming band or tribe from Egypt in the time of Greek rule who migrated throughout the region, upwards to Central Asia and all around.

The Roma and Gypsies have virtually no connection with India what so ever.
 
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