KLR Junkie
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I would love to see the source of that particular nugget.
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LIGHTNING LS-218 - thoughts?
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I would love to see the source of that particular nugget.
From the Government of Canada's web site:
www.cer-rec.gc.ca
CER – Provincial and Territorial Energy Profiles - Ontario
Provincial and Territorial Energy Profiles – Ontario
Given the life span of batteries and that they are recycled does not cut it either. There is a ton of lithium about ...we're heading to the biggest lithium area on the planet ( Atacama Desert ) and like all technology there is some environmental cost but they are a solveable problem if the companies stop using ground water ....and they are. Pressure from EV car manufacturers particularly in Europe will bring that about and the major suppliers of lithium are onside as they have a healthy and growing business model. They are moving to solar desalination for the fresh water they need instead of mining ground water reserves and hurting the local supply.
www.pv-magazine.com
In Ontario or Quebec where electricity is low or no carbon ...the savings in emissions are close to 100% over an ICE vehicle as the batteries are good for minimum 8 years and then can be rebuilt. So many other benefits as well for EV cars.. not yet so clear on motorcycles tho eBikes are big time good for congested cities. Mcycles not the problem.
Is fair lithium from Chile possible?
Batteries, and the raw materials that make them, are a frequent target of public criticism. The high water consumption required for lithium extraction is speeding up the desertification process around the salt lakes of Latin America’s so-called “lithium triangle”, for example. The mining debate...
www.pv-magazine.com
In Ontario or Quebec where electricity is low or no carbon ...the savings in emissions are close to 100% over an ICE vehicle as the batteries are good for minimum 8 years and then can be rebuilt. So many other benefits as well for EV cars.. not yet so clear on motorcycles tho eBikes are big time good for congested cities. Mcycles not the problem.
KLR Junkie
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From the Government of Canada's web site:
CER – Provincial and Territorial Energy Profiles - Ontario
Provincial and Territorial Energy Profiles – Ontario
WARNING, THIS POST IS COMPLETELY OFF-TOPIC
Also, I'm not ranting at any GTAM members here. I do appreciate that Lightcycle went and found a reference, even if I strongly disagree with the content of said reference.
I just love how our governments measure CO2 emissions from the energy sector by completely ignoring life-cycle emissions. Not all emissions come from the smokestack.
Nuclear is "non-emitting"? What about the mining, processing and transport of uranium. What about the emission of hot water from non-contact cooling systems (which causes increased evaporation of water vapour, the most common GHG). How about the emissions associated with building the enormous facility and then tearing it down again 40 years later. Let's not forget to include the emissions associated with maintaining a nuclear waste stockpile for the foreseeable future.
When you account for the biological decomposition of plant matter submerged by damming for hydroelectric power plants, as well as the reduction in CO2 absorptive capacity from flooding natural areas, and the emissions associated with construction and maintenance, hydroelectric power can have a carbon footprint nearly as significant as natural gas. [Scherer, Laura & Pfister, Stephan. (2016). Hydropower's Biogenic Carbon Footprint. PLoS ONE. 11. e0161947. 10.1371/journal.pone.0161947].
We're blessed with an electrical generation system that has relatively low CO2e emissions compared with some nations, and EVs in general are quite a bit better than ICE vehicles regarding life-cycle CO2e emissions. I just get annoyed when I see an official organisation like the NEB putting out garbage like that link, using technicalities like "direct emissions" to mislead the public.
Production of lithium is another topic for another rant
Anyway, rant is over. Back to the topic at hand, my abiding memory of my short ride on a Zero was the torque. If that's the future of riding then I can't wait til it gets here.
Fair points.
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in 2018 the gas gens used 0.7 tw. ...seems I recall because of a cool summer there was no use at all last year. Seems 99% low carbon is a fair.
Anyways - any fossil fuel powerplant is far more efficient than an ICE vehicle and natural gas in particular is very efficient.
Some very cool battery tech in the works as well but weight is always an issue as is recharge time.
okay - throwing another wrench into the thinking here - considering the next 4 yrs, this market is expected to grow at a CAGR of over 35%and the market growth rate projected to increase by 28,123 units over the same period (reference: COMTEX_358159295/2598/2019-11-29)
points to key drivers for this market being:
•Development of hubless electric motorcycles
•Emerging trend of all-electric motorcycle racing
•Major motorcycle OEMs venturing into the electric motorcycle market
this is a time-game for sure, and as the supporting charging stations come to be more available as part of planned urban & transportation grids and retail markets, i think we all will be having one, or telling our kids we never thought the day would come.
points to key drivers for this market being:
•Development of hubless electric motorcycles
•Emerging trend of all-electric motorcycle racing
•Major motorcycle OEMs venturing into the electric motorcycle market
this is a time-game for sure, and as the supporting charging stations come to be more available as part of planned urban & transportation grids and retail markets, i think we all will be having one, or telling our kids we never thought the day would come.
El_Destructo
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Ummm... it might be now. I'l take your word for it !. But do we have the ability to provide charging power if everyone shifts to electric vehicles. I've seen the plug ins at parking garages. What if there is a big shift that way & most or even half of drivers/riders want to plug in & charge.
With resistance to wind generating from people who live near them & the nature crowd who say it's bad for migratory birds etc., Ford seemingly (to me anyway) reluctant to support anything to do with solar, what are we going to use. Is there enough hydro generation to fill in ?. Doesn't seem to be that long ago we had "brown outs" in the summer when everyone turned on their AC. I think if we all plug in our cars & bikes... perhaps there might be shortages again.
If we have so much electricity to spare, why is it always getting more expensive ?. How will the price be affected by the increased demand?.
Is it possible that we might have to resort to less clean generating methods to fill the demand of all electric transport. ?. If not carbon, perhaps nuclear or something else. Perhaps we can hook up to all the stationary bicycles in gyms to fill the void ?.
The point of my post was... I don't think everyone realizes when they plug in an electric device the power had to be generated by something.
But certainly not any coal, as was suggested above.
This is a common anti-EV argument across much of the USA where coal is still used widely for power generation - "Your EV is just powered by coal, lol lol" when in reality it's been shown to still be more efficient vs internal combustion.
But that's another argument.
You make the assumption there is a "void". A big fleet of EV vehicles is actually a very useful energy pool for peak load. It also absorbs the power from renewables, especially wind that often is not required. It does require grid upgrades.
Smart Charging: parked EV batteries can save billions in grid balancing - Energy Post
95% of a car’s time is spent parked. It’s why parked and plugged-in EVs could be the battery banks of the future, stabilising grids powered by wind and solar. More than 1bn EVs could be on the road by 2050, their 14 TWh of EV batteries dwarfing the projected 9 TWh of stationary batteries...
energypost.eu
Small nuclear is well on the way mid 20s and easy enough to add to an existing site.
Renewables will continue to grow which is one point in their favour despite the idiot running Ontario at the moment. Always the problem with renewables is storage.
Quebec has new hydro coming on but also is taking an innovative approach to leveling demand
Opinion: Hydro-Québec is preparing for the future — and so should you
Instead of building more dams, the utility is opting for a cheaper, greener solution: spreading power use more evenly over the day.
montrealgazette.com
Tech already in production ...
To obtain high-performance with minimal power loss, electric motorcycle manufacturers are launching a new design wherein the motor is on the wheel rim, eliminating the hub from the wheel. Furthermore, the electric motor is integrated into the fairly large frame of the rim, allowing high power generation. The power generated is further transferred through electric cables housed near the rear wheel rim.
To obtain high-performance with minimal power loss, electric motorcycle manufacturers are launching a new design wherein the motor is on the wheel rim, eliminating the hub from the wheel. Furthermore, the electric motor is integrated into the fairly large frame of the rim, allowing high power generation. The power generated is further transferred through electric cables housed near the rear wheel rim.
Trials
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Does it come as a little tiny one with 2 wheel drive?
now the front wheel does really look wrong, are they expecting it to go ultra fast or be ultra heavy?
and whats with the jumper cables?
actually the whole frame is just wrongew, it has forward pegs lol
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How is the frame 'wrong'?Does it come as a little tiny one with 2 wheel drive?
now the front wheel does really look wrong, are they expecting it to go ultra fast or be ultra heavy?
and whats with the jumper cables?
ew, it has forward pegs lol
Trials
Well-known member
Look what it has for a frame connection between the swingarm pivot and the top shock mount :/ that's a tubular joke, that part should be one of the strongest cast aluminum sub assemblies on the bike not an afterthought to mount a saddle and riders
I mean, do we even know what the material content is to start?
Outside of that don't be trapped in your paradigm of what a bike design 'should be'. I expect we'll see some radical stuff now that it's not hampered by an ice.
*Cough cybertruck*
Remember that as we move away from internal combustion engines and all the airflow that is necessary around said engine, cooling system, etc etc....having a battery instead means that the battery will probably become part of the structure of motorcycles moving forward. That means that what we all consider a "standard" frame design today out of generally necessity to fit around an engine won't necessarily be reality in the not too distant future.
word ...
the engineering problems around a new propulsive source combined with available power, torque, and tensile demands from a linear band present new requirements for a 'right-sized' frame - and agree it would not be well served to continue what was done for the legacy power source.
on a side note ... segway's is out now ... different setup ... but looks way more conventional:
the engineering problems around a new propulsive source combined with available power, torque, and tensile demands from a linear band present new requirements for a 'right-sized' frame - and agree it would not be well served to continue what was done for the legacy power source.
on a side note ... segway's is out now ... different setup ... but looks way more conventional:
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