I just bought that book on amazon guy, thanks for the tip. Looking forward to reading it. Id like to think I'll never stop learning as long as Im on two.
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I just bought that book on amazon guy, thanks for the tip. Looking forward to reading it. Id like to think I'll never stop learning as long as Im on two.
bigpoppa
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Chapter 4 was mind blowing for me, he's even got high quality youtube videos from the racing/riding school he runs...
My personal favorite being R = Mph and the 100 points of grip
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Take it from me, doesn't only happen at intersections!
bigpoppa
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anywhere traffic intersects at 90 deg is an intersection imo. (Driveways, stop signs, official intersections, 2 way roads with no dividers near outdoor malls.... etc etc)
lol? then what are official intersections?!
bigpoppa
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A personal designation, anywhere with lights, but just because there are no lights, doesnt mean someone wont try to kill you.lol? then what are official intersections?!
Lights/signs etc make it a controlled intersection. Uncontrolled intersections have no lights or signs. Personally I don't look at residential driveways as intersections (you can't be on red alert at all times and you only have ~4 vehicle movements/day/driveway vs dozens per hour for most commercial driveways). I can't say your interpretation is wrong though, just different strokes for different folks.
I mean, you`re preaching to the choir, you quoted me saying that very thing lol.
N234
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Uncontrolled intersections, like when a major road meets side streets, are very dangerous, too.
Controlled intersections, like those with lights or stop signs, are the worst because everyone feels safe. The false sense of security creeps in: "Green means go, so I don't need to look around."
A friend's dashcam captured a minivan waiting patiently to turn left across the friend's path, but with front wheels cranked all the way in. The minivan was rear ended by a pickup truck and was pushed directly into the oncoming traffic. Something to keep an eye out for.
Controlled intersections, like those with lights or stop signs, are the worst because everyone feels safe. The false sense of security creeps in: "Green means go, so I don't need to look around."
A friend's dashcam captured a minivan waiting patiently to turn left across the friend's path, but with front wheels cranked all the way in. The minivan was rear ended by a pickup truck and was pushed directly into the oncoming traffic. Something to keep an eye out for.
That was part of young drivers when I took it many moons ago. Keep the wheels straight until you are actually moving around the corner to avoid that exact situation.
There's an analogy for bike where it's explained that you have a dollar's worth of traction and you can spend it on braking or turning or share. If you're fully invested in the turn you can't buy braking traction. If you're fully invested in braking you can't buy a turn. You have no extra tires to keep you upright. Add that to the novice's brain load when the semi pops up.
At Renforth at Bloor people wait ages to make a risky annoying left onto Bloor. Originally the intersection wasn't a problem as Bloor ended at Etobicoke Creek and traffic was local. Then they built the bridge allowing Mississauga traffic through but they didn't modify the affected intersections.
Mad Mike
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Here is how I move through urban traffic:
I maintain speed with the flow of traffic
Travel behind large visible ve
If you ever get to a position where you're fully invested in either braking or cornering you're at the track -- you really want to avoid that while you're on the road.
bigpoppa
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Thats the kind of rigid half-baked oversimplified unenlightened thinking that gets riders killed and leads to dumb **** like "When in doubt gas it out" or "do all your braking before the corner" ..Well I guess ill just never brake in the corner! What if you go into a corner too hot? What if a car pulls out mid corner on the street? Gonna rely on that good ol fashioned hope and luck?
Theres always traction available, you just have to be smooth and have to trade between lean angle and braking, or lean angle and acceleration.
Go read the Sticky on braking by nick ienatsch for your own sake.
Also define if you can "Fully invested in a turn" or "fully invested in braking"
/Endrant
Edit: Sorry if i offended you, that **** triggers me hard, because I wish someone taught me correctly when I started riding instead of half truths and innuendos
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ScorpionT16
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When I started riding I got all sorts of advise from different places. Watched Total control and and watch Fast Eddy's/MotoJitsu video's often and it's amazing how much is still to learn, and lots to unlearn from bad advice in the past.
Braking in a corner was one, I was terrified of it, then started trail braking and learning to brake mid-corner and modulate. Not using front brakes off-road was another, again, modulation and smoothness is key. Not sliding the rear tire out of fear was another, until I started to purposefully slide it in a parking lot to understand how it feels and to ride it out etc... riding off-road helps alot, especially dismiss that coin theory.
Braking in a corner was one, I was terrified of it, then started trail braking and learning to brake mid-corner and modulate. Not using front brakes off-road was another, again, modulation and smoothness is key. Not sliding the rear tire out of fear was another, until I started to purposefully slide it in a parking lot to understand how it feels and to ride it out etc... riding off-road helps alot, especially dismiss that coin theory.
bigpoppa
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For further proof, look here, @shanekingsley braking in a corner...in the rain!
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N234
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The traction circle (dollar of traction) is great beginner information. It saves riders from falling due to braking in a corner as if they were straight up.
Trail braking is another tool that works in conjunction with it, and you obviously support this, but the traction circle still applies.
Even though addition of braking might produce extra traction, it's less and less the harder you squeeze, so you still have to compromise.
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Exactly.
I'm not sure how this thread managed to fall so far down the rabbit hole. We were talking about left-turn accidents, weren't we?
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