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Left Lane Loafers - Watch This
- Thread starter Mad Mike
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has to be French = sexy rule
That was WhitbyToronto is metropolitan you need to say it with Pictures
Remember they had those chevrons painted on the highway and said you should see three of them between you and the other guy
Toronto is metropolitan you need to say it with Pictures
Remember they had those chevrons painted on the highway and said you should see three of them between you and the other guy
In Michigan they paint the lane with where it is going. So, let's say approaching the 427 the lanes that connect are painted with 427 on them. It takes the stupid out of it. Same should happen with left lane. Paint 'Passing?' followed by an arrow pointed to the right.
So I go to the right to pass? Partly kidding, but people are really dumb.
Trials
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Paint a rabbit in the left lane and a turtle in the right. <- idiot proof.
kiwi
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Mad Mike
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If it's for trucks, do it in French. They seem to be the least courteous.
Another pet peeve of mine while driving on the highways – how people are scared to go faster than a police car. I have never been stopped for passing a cop on the highway at 10km/hr above their speed (providing they're not going more than 110km/hr). If they're going 100 I'll usually pass at 110, if they're going 110, I'll usually pass at 120. If they're going 120, I won't pass and pull in behind them. People just freak out when they see a cop and think they have to go their speed or less otherwise they'll get a ticket... most cops wouldn't waste their time stopping someone that's passing them safely doing 120 on a highway. 120 on a highway is standard speed nowadays.
I wont pass a cop. I have been a passenger in a vehicle that got a ticket for passing a cop (I cant remember the ticket speed, but it was really low). You just need the cop to be bored or having a bad day and you are cooked. He was so ******, screaming at the driver for passing him when he was going at the max legal speed.
I have also seen the car passing a cop car on the highway get pulled over. A line of cars stayed behind the police vehicle (I was in the rightmost lane, keeping pace with the pod of cars) when one decided to make the pass. It didn't go flying past, I'd guess no more than 10km faster than the pace, and as soon as it passed the police car, its lightbar lit up and pulled the car over.
That's exactly the sort of idiotic random enforcement that leads to loafers in lanes and uneven traffic flow. Some people hit the brakes when they see they're coming up on a cruiser but others live in perpetual fear of an unfair ticket and live at speeds below the flow rate. Maddening.
Anyone hear anything about that experiment to raise limits a few measly kph in Ontario?
Anyone hear anything about that experiment to raise limits a few measly kph in Ontario?
So, to start...Do you know how MUCH it costs to take a loaded class 8 truck across the 407 end to end? For a company without a transponder (and not every carrier uses them as the need is not constant, or they are out of province, or out of country...it's NOT realistic to expect every truck to carry one) and towing a heavy configuration, taking the 407 from Lakeridge road in the east to the 401 exit to the west (what most people would reasonably consider the most common go-around for the "GTA"), it's over $200 after taxes and all the fees. Even if the company has a transponder it's still roughly $150 each way.
So, no, trucks just passing through are not going to use it because they are actually losing money (in a big way) in doing so.
Secondly, a good percentage of the trucks you see in the city through the day are actually doing business IN or around the city, not just passing through.
So, force them to go through at night, you say. Been there, heard that - millions of times, same as all the other ideas by people who have no grasp of the realities of the industry. It would cost the province BILLIONS of dollars in the end - companies would flee the province. It would put many small businesses....out of business, and it would jack up consumer prices (yep, what YOU pay for the stuff on the shelves) because of extra staffing requirements. Because you see, what most people forget is that restricting trucks to only using Toronto roads through the day means that stores that are usually closed at night need to staff overnight to accept those deliveries. And then the companies basically only have a half a work day to do 24 hours worth of work. Try squishing your 8 hour work day into 4 hours and see how well that works for you - same concept.
There are SO many logistical reasons why the "just ban trucks through the day!" common knee-jerk reaction is simply totally and completely unrealistic, but people outside the industry just don't grasp it. If it was so easy, trust me, governments across Canada and the USA would have done it decades ago...but studies quickly show that the reality of this is a financial nightmare for economies, and unrealistic.
And in the end, it wouldn't help anyways - almost all traffic jams are caused by CARS, not trucks - again, spend a day in our shoes and you'd see how traffic jams start - cars will jam on their brakes for the stupidest things - any blinky light even if it's 8 lanes on the other side of the highway, 3 drops of rain on their windshield, a gust of wind, lack of basic navigation ability, and lets not even talk about people who can't merge or exit properly or don't drive in the right lane causing lane changes or backups behind them - THIS is what causes traffic jams. The guys in the big trucks with few exceptions don't do these stupid things - most are paid by the mile and have ZERO incentive or desire to want to slow down not only because slower = less $ per hour, but most are on a schedule as well.
If there was 2 lanes adjacent to the 401 solely for trucks you'd discover that it would be flowing at 100KPH 24/7, even when the 401 is dead stop. Us guys know how to avoid doing the stupid things that create traffic jams.
In other words, the whole idea of restricting trucks to certain hours is not only unrealistic, financially disasterous, but in the end, mostly pointless.
Trials
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Not sure what makes it an experiment, the speed limit on the 401 was 70mph for years, trucks were limited to a lower speed and it was much safer because of it. Then we went metric and the government got stupid, lowered the speed limits and made everybody travel to the same speed, speeding fines effectively doubled.
IOW, Class 8s are not compatible with the realities of modern traffic. Short of full autonomy, the only real solution is to separate them in space (rail) or time.
Otherwise we simply have to accept and live with the status quo.
Fixed that for you.
If cars were automated we'd certainly still have high traffic density during peak traffic times, but it would be moving at least. Computers don't do the stupid idiotic things clueless car drivers do that are the triggers that cause traffic jams.
Us guys in the trucks would have zero issues working our way across the city in conjunction with fully automated cagers without being the ones starting jams, trust me.
Have you ever gone across the 401 in the middle of the night? TONS of trucks passing through - a lot of drivers do very intentionally try to time their transit across big cities to the middle of the night simply to avoid the fustercluck that is the constant rush hour during the daylight hours.
I've seen traffic density in some of the common bottleneck areas at 3AM equivalent to that of 8AM rush hour. But you know what? Magically, we're all still moving at 100KPH.
Again and again I will say....spend a day in our shoes.
Trials
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You guys know how to create traffic jams pretty good too! Where were you when they did that 401 protest truck blockade 6 or 7 years ago that intentionally slowed the entire length of the 401 to a crawl. lol that little stunt really helped the cause.
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