You missed the part about other people taking the space in front that you give them. Come to Toronto more often.
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Left Lane Loafers - Watch This
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Trials
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It's probably the same guy who just passed me on the right hand side and prevented me from moving to the right lane.
I think you`re probably right.
Mad Mike
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That works out in the country Jed, not in the city. If you leave 60' of road ahead of you, it's claimed in a heartbeat.
Mad Mike
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If you're travelling in the correct lane, there is rarely a situation where someone should be able to pass you on the right. If someone had the time and space to pass on the right, you were too far left already.
Good comments Pilot and I agree with you when traffic is heavy. But out of town a ways when traffic hasn't built up yet, that's a different story, and being in the middle lane isn't helping anyone. Just the other day I was returning to K-town from the big smoke and there was a truck pulling a camper in the middle lane. Hardly anyone else around him, and I was already in the right lane and so I just cruised by him shaking my head. He was ****** at me, but of course couldn't do anything as he was already maxed out on power to get to 95 kph.
Trials
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Wasn't me, I would have been doing closer to a buck twenty.
(according to my optimistic speedometer)
Common argument, trust us...we hear it ALL the time.
But it's a simple argument used by people who have a complete lack of understanding about the realities of how freight moves today.
Trains have their place, but they are slow, and eventually, their contents needs to go onto a truck, since I think we're all smart enough here to understand that there is not tracks all over the city leading to every gas station, grocery store, pizza place, dollar store and everything in between, ad infinitum. And even if there was, would you want a locomotive with a few rail cars shunting all over the city blocking streets?
So, that fancy cheese (to name just ONE perishable thing off the top of my head) you bought at the grocery store a few days ago came from somewhere in the USA or maybe Quebec or Wisconsin. It was loaded onto a truck perhaps just 24 or 48 hours ago and it arrived here in Ontario hours later. It's in your grocery store literally hours after it left the manufacturing facility. I've done exactly that sort of thing countless times in my career.
That doesn't happen with trains. Trains are great for non time sensitive stuff where it doesn't matter much if it takes a week or two to complete the same trip. But the realities of consumerism today means that an overwhelming majority of consumer products (yeah, the stuff we all buy EVERY DAY without a thought in the world as to how it got onto the shelf) arrives by truck.
Problem is, 90% of consumers just think the stuff they buy everyday just magically falls out of the ceiling of the store at night, and onto the shelf. They have zero concept that the same crap they have in the back of their SUV headed home at that moment in time could be the very same thing that's loaded onto "that stupid slow truck" in front of them.
It drives me nuts too. A professional will slow down by 6 or 8 KPH when they realize they're outdone by another truck following them (usually the dymanics of their following trucks load load means they're going to basically riding the brakes constantly behind them on every little downhill stretch, so a pass is needed) and will let the other truck pass more expeditiously. Unfortunately the key word "Professional" is increasingly lost in our trade as well, so we get idiots who have the same "me first" mentality of cagers and just refuse to slow down and inconvenience themselves for 30 seconds to avoid inconveniencing 50 other cars stuck during the passing attempt.
This comes back to changing mentalities, and ****** licensing standards. We're now reaping what we've sowed for the last 20 years with driver mills pumping out class A drivers who couldnt' find their own ass with both hands if their life depended on it, much less have a shred of professionalism anymore.
Again, not all are the same, so remember the "don't paint us all with the same brush" routine, but people never remember (or even notice, mainly) a well done pass. But get stuck behind a truck for 20 KM, and you most certainly remember that...right?
The RV crowd is not to be lumped in with commercial drivers. 90% of people pulling RV's are just regular class G licensees like every other person on the road. Now they're suddenly playing billy bigrigger because "I own a trailer, look at me!" and they're set loose onto the highways with NO additional training, and the same "me first" mentality they had when they were driving their Honda Civic the day before commuting to work. Worse yet, 50% of them are white knuckle behind the wheel because they're terrified. Cherry on top - 20% are loaded dangerously making their trailer unstable, are improperly hooked up (dangerous again), have no working trailer brakes (Meh, don't know better or who cares..right?), have crap hanging on strapped onto their trailer that is one pothole away from being a potential deadly piece of road hazard to all of us on our MC's, or the king of them all, no working lights.
Whole different ball game.
Trials
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Phew, wasn't me either, all my lights work, I drive relaxed and I put all the stuff in the garage, only thing hanging off the back is 2 spare tires.
You can spot the experienced trailer drivers because they carry 2 spares because trailer tires are such poorly made chinese crap it is incredible.
Don't tailgate the trailer with 2 spares.
You can spot the experienced trailer drivers because they carry 2 spares because trailer tires are such poorly made chinese crap it is incredible.
Don't tailgate the trailer with 2 spares.
AllistonGT
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Your complaint was that cars pass and do the same speed in front of you. I said yea to see up ahead. Now your saying creat space behind you so that I can accelerate to pass you safely. Lol. Yes so I can pass you to see better up ahead. And around and around we go.
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Trials
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Correct, happens frequently too, because within reason I drive with the flow of traffic. Usually the ones that lose speed on the up hill where I don't need to because I have a crazy massive diesel six speed standard and twin turbo chargers :I she can pretty much hang in there with a greyhound bus.
Not tailgating is key to safe and proper passing.
Here's a controversial idea. Why not begin to limit certain large commercial truck traffic on the non toll 400 series highways in the GTA to off hours, say 9 PM to 6 AM. All large truck commercial through traffic must use the 407 and could do so at any time. This could make a significant difference in traffic flow for daytime commuters.
Many European cities have huge traffic congestion issues and have limited daytime truck traffic for years.
Many European cities have huge traffic congestion issues and have limited daytime truck traffic for years.
So about left lane hogs...I've said it before - Signage with "Not passing move right". People will get the message.
I had a debate with someone on this issue. Their point, as long as I am driving the speed limit. I asked for her drivers license and took a look and said 'oh, just like mine'. She asked what I meant and I told her that her license didn't have the required special designation as 400 series pace setter. I think she still believes it's a thing.
I had a debate with someone on this issue. Their point, as long as I am driving the speed limit. I asked for her drivers license and took a look and said 'oh, just like mine'. She asked what I meant and I told her that her license didn't have the required special designation as 400 series pace setter. I think she still believes it's a thing.
Interesting concept. It works much better now that Milton to Oshawa is a viable toll expressway.
I admittedly don't spend much time on the 401 in Toronto at rush hour, but my experience is normally that trucks don't make much difference on 6+ lanes. In fact, they help to absorb some of the accordioning so I normally follow them in heavy traffic. My biggest issues with trucks are outside of the city when you are down to two or three lanes and 90% of the truck drivers don't give a crap about anyone else and block the road for miles to gain a truck length (or even worse, pass up a hill, get passed down the hill, pass up the hill again. . .).
Trials
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In french or english?
... never mind, bad joke.
Build a GTA interconnected public transit system down the middle of each highway. I think this will reduce traffic more than trying to eliminate truck traffic. Business rely way too heavily on transporting goods quickly and cost effectively. Industry would suffer.
Both, I'm inclusive.
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