Sure about that?
Left and right turns
- Thread starter Joe Bass
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Sure about that?
I would agree about the 90%. That's my rough estimate as well.
At Goreway and Queen, there is a double turning lane coming south. Queen is 3 lanes here, and coming north I have a yield into the third right-most lane. I can't tell you how many times a transport truck will honk at me when I make that right because they want to turn into the third lane.
(I am, of course, assuming that I have yielded to oncoming traffic because that truck should be turning into the second *middle* lane, at their advanced green)
You're turning right on a red. RTFH. It doesn't matter how many lanes the vehicle turning left on an advanced green is using.
Sorry, RTFH?
But I think you're saying that I need to wait, as I'm at a red.
But does that also apply to that dedicated right lane thingy with the triangular median to the left of it? (I believe that to be the technical name
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For the record, I may be totally incorrect in thinking that I can turn, but to me it just makes sense that I can.
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But I think you're saying that I need to wait, as I'm at a red.
But does that also apply to that dedicated right lane thingy with the triangular median to the left of it? (I believe that to be the technical name
)For the record, I may be totally incorrect in thinking that I can turn, but to me it just makes sense that I can.
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Yes, it does, because there is the possibility that oncoming traffic will be making a right turn into a lane that should legally be free of traffic at that time. Please see the link that I posted, to the appropriate section of the HTA.
Transports are a bit of a different issue but they should make every effort to minimize the amount of lane space they use.
Are there exceptions to the laws for transport trucks?
Thats what I was thinking too...I had made a legal turn, she had made an illegal lane change.
Only those of physics, as far as I know. If you actually can't make a turn any tighter, with a vehicle that's passed as safe for on-road use, then all that you can do is your best. That still doesn't explain why I've almost been pushed over the median into oncoming traffic by trucks making turns from the far right lane, on several occasions. They don't need THREE lanes to make a turn.
On a related note....I keep hearing about the 401 being the busiest highway in North America etc. That may be so but my observations have been that traffic would actually flow really quite freely if lane discipline was observed, it doesn't seem busier than say the M25 in the UK.
Look at point five of the section you posted. Lefts weren't supposed to be made at the same time as rights.
One might be turning right at the driveway through the intersection.
he problem is that everyone is in a hurry, they make poor lane choices, and then break the first rule of driving.
Selfishness, or plain lack of sense, has much to do with our current gridlock problems. Everyone has a 'me first' attitude. If I'm polite and let someone merge in, suddenly I have three more cars forcing their way in front of me. People either run to the very end of merge lanes and then force their way in, or use merge lanes as passing lanes, proving both that they have no comprehension for the term 'merge' and no care for the welfare of their fellow citizen.
Incorrect. They can be made at the same time, if everyone is obeying the law and there are multiple lanes. Where things fall apart is where people are ignorant of the law, flout the law, or just don't give a good goddamn about anyone but themselves.
Transports can be maneuverable but yeah I'd give them some slack.
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One additional problem is that one bad driver sets the pattern forcing others to follow. I often make a left at a particular intersection and then after a short block, make a right. If I turn left lane to left lane the A-holes behind me, taking the same route go left to right lane, a wider path and therefore a faster track, and they plug the right lane forcing me to do a cut off. Of course I could out accelerate them and risk a HTA 172.
I'll give the drivers who actually try some slack. The ones who just do stupid crap, not so much. For example this morning I witnessed a transport make a left from the ramp from 410 northbound to Steeles eastbound, from the left hand right turn lane, on a red light, and run it all the way out to the third lane which forced a half dozen drivers who had the green light to hammer their brakes. He should have just waited for the green, but was in too much of a hurry to care about the lives of other drivers.
The situation you illustrated is why this sort of thing needs enforcement. Another is when some moron decides that he wants to get around traffic that's going to be moving over, from a merge lane, before the solid line of the bullnose ends. Watch the ramp from 410 south to 401 east, or 401 east to 427 south, and you'll see a lot of people make that move. If you don't expect there to be another car there, because there was no traffic on the other merging highway ramp, then you're likely going to take the side off one of these idiots when you make your lane change.
Pretty sure that guy driving was yelling "LIKE A BOSS!" as he made that U Turn.
To piggy back on this topic; I am noticing a lot more in the last year or two that drivers will make sudden lane changes to advance themselves 1 or 2 cars ahead when approaching a red light.
I've even seen people do it when they are completely stopped. The lane beside them has 1 car waiting at a light, the lane they are in has 3 cars, they'll make a sharp turn to become car #2 in the lane next to them, instead of being car #4 in their original lane.
I've even seen people do it when they are completely stopped. The lane beside them has 1 car waiting at a light, the lane they are in has 3 cars, they'll make a sharp turn to become car #2 in the lane next to them, instead of being car #4 in their original lane.
Yup, I'm seeing that too. I've been cut off, hard, a few times recently by people who do it too.
Can you post where it actually says that they can be made at the same time?
I'm guessing it doesn't and some people are assuming yes and some no.
The two philosophies collide where the velocities intersect.
I've had one close call and that's enough for me.
I like to be ahead or behind unless there's more than two lanes.
Plus, in the city the right lane is usually full of parked cars.
If there's a collision, chances are you could both be cited, and found liable.
Interesting. I understand some cultures don't get or can't/won't comply to the standard queueing process. This was hilariously brought to light by my favourite (Bill Bryson) travel writer. I wonder how that factors into our vibrant mosaic of international drivers, if at all.
It doesn't say that they cannot be, as long as the action is performed in safety. That's the measuring stick here.
Go sit at the bottom of the ramp from York Street to The Gardiner and watch how many people on York south are making wide turns, which bungs up the left turn lane from York north. Leaving aside the ones who actually make blatantly illegal turns from the left lane of York south, that is. Everyone would be a lot better off if the law was obeyed.
