Leaf Fans ....... how low can they go ?

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Deimos said:
I don't follow hockey but am genuinely curious right now as to why the Leafs, as a team with a lot of money, can't make it into the playoffs? Is coaching and management it? Bad players?
I'd honestly like to know.
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Its because they don't have to spend real money on a real team if people just keep packing the seats either way. Combine that with the "next year is our year" morons like my friend and you got a can't lose business model.

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wikeke said:
FYI, an uneventful hockey game is still more exciting to watch than an action packed baseball game....:)
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lol i guess u dont like baseball. personally i love it but its completely different. you have to appreciate the mind game between a pitcher and a batter to love baseball
 
wikeke said:
big time leafs fan here...I watch every leaf game every season, and look forward to the season every year.
but this is the first year that I'm not looking forward to the season (if there is one!)

for me the anticipation just isn't there anymore...I don't think I can ever stop blaming Burke for the Kessel trade.
Burke is too stubborn, he over valued Kessel...and was too blind to see that he over paid to get him
(btw, Kessel had wanted out of Boston too!)

and IIRC, Burke said he would still redo that trade, even if he knew that Leaf draft pick would be Seguin.....phh!
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Kessel still had more goals, assists and points then seguin
 
oilycreek said:
Kessel still had more goals, assists and points then seguin
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Like I say, Kessel isn't exactly garbage. I thought it was interesting when one of the reporters from Boston said that Kessel just doesn't give a crap what the media or fans say about him and that might make him even more valuable in Toronto. What does that say about the "fans" here? When they win a game, they're heading for the Cup..when they lose a game, they throw the entire team under the bus.
 
oilycreek said:
Kessel still had more goals, assists and points then seguin
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fair enough, but do you think anyone who knows a little about hockey would trade Seguin for Kessel straight up?

btw, Seguin has 67 pts in his 2nd year.....Kessel had 37 pts in his 2nd year.

again, not saying Kessel isn't a good player....just that Burke over valued him.
 
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wikeke said:
fair enough, but do you think anyone who knows a little about hockey would trade Seguin for Kessel straight up?

btw, Seguin has 67 pts in his 2nd year.....Kessel had 37 pts in his 2nd year.

again, not saying Kessel isn't a good player....just that Burke over valued him.
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It's a risky trade. Sequin has one year on a good team. Kessel is fairly well established. Burke took a chance. Not ever gamble pays off. I don't blame him. I'm pretty sure he knows more about hockey than you or I do.
 
invictus43 said:
It's a risky trade. Sequin has one year on a good team. Kessel is fairly well established. Burke took a chance. Not ever gamble pays off. I don't blame him. I'm pretty sure he knows more about hockey than you or I do.
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agreed, not every gamble pays off....but the potential of that 1st round pick (2nd overall) is not one that I would have gambled with....so I still blame him.

it's possible, he knows more hockey than you and I, but he doesn't know more hockey than all of Leaf Nation....and it seems to me that Leaf Nation as a whole disapproves of the trade...:)
 
wikeke said:
agreed, not every gamble pays off....but the potential of that 1st round pick (2nd overall) is not one that I would have gambled with....so I still blame him.

it's possible, he knows more hockey than you and I, but he doesn't know more hockey than all of Leaf Nation....and it seems to me that Leaf Nation as a whole disapproves of the trade...:)
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I wanna know where they get all the short buses to transport the Leaf Nation around... :-D
 
^ haha that's weaksauce....:)


one thing I think we can both agree on....it'd be pretty interesting for the Leafs if there was a new team in Markham.

btw, to answer the OP's question....unfortunately the Leafs always do just enough from being last...which also means they never get the top pick (except 1985)
 
wikeke said:
^ haha that's weaksauce....:)


one thing I think we can both agree on....it'd be pretty interesting for the Leafs if there was a new team in Markham.

btw, to answer the OP's question....unfortunately the Leafs always do just enough from being last...which also means they never get the top pick (except 1985)
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And even when they HAVE a good draft position, they draft Jeff Ware..arggghhhh.... :-p
 
^ haha...yuuup....don't forget about Scott Pearson too...they signed him twice!!!

whenever my friends and I talk hockey...I always say, the Leafs should try their best and get the scouts from Detroit or Philly ;)
 
scott pearson... lol
honestly i would take him over half the guys on theam now... pearson used to risk life and limb fighting for the puck.
whether he was succesfull or not us another story! but he bled for the leafs.
 
I agree, I totally appreciate it when I see a player hustle extra, and fight hard for the Leafs (not many players do go all out for their team)
although Pearson might have been one of those hard workers, I don't think he was successful.

i see 'bleeding' for a team as a requirement of a hockey player, but they should also fulfill their role.

a shooter who bleeds and scores is successful....but if he just bleeds, then i would consider him unsuccessful.
a 4th line grinder/ checker who bleeds and scores would be great, but even if he didn't score, I would consider him successful if he hustled and did his role.

Mike Brown might not put up points, but i consider him successful because he hustles hard and fulfills his role.
I don't know much of Pearson's junior career, but from the stats it looked like he was a skilled physical forward (put up points and PIMs)
too bad he didn't put up some more points for the Leafs.
 
wikeke said:
I agree, I totally appreciate it when I see a player hustle extra, and fight hard for the Leafs (not many players do go all out for their team)
although Pearson might have been one of those hard workers, I don't think he was successful.

i see 'bleeding' for a team as a requirement of a hockey player, but they should also fulfill their role.

a shooter who bleeds and scores is successful....but if he just bleeds, then i would consider him unsuccessful.
a 4th line grinder/ checker who bleeds and scores would be great, but even if he didn't score, I would consider him successful if he hustled and did his role.

Mike Brown might not put up points, but i consider him successful because he hustles hard and fulfills his role.
I don't know much of Pearson's junior career, but from the stats it looked like he was a skilled physical forward (put up points and PIMs)
too bad he didn't put up some more points for the Leafs.
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well you are right scotty pearson is a career 3rd or fourth liner.

dont forget back in the day the 3rd and 4th line just needed to check and stop the other teams top line by board work, clutching, grabbing...

remember . bill berg, peter zezel, and osborne.., they shut down everyone.

todays game the 3rd and 4th liner has a different game to play so i agree with you...
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