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I don't want anything other than getting my bike back to the way it was.

My insurance company has determined I was not at fault there is 0 deductible for me, and my rates will not go up as a result of this accident.

I was not going to lay there in the middle of the yonge street north bound Lane until everyone showed up. That is not who I am. If I can get up I will get up.

I suspect the experience rattled the driver who hit me, and although I can not confirm for sure, I think he confirmed everything I said to the police and the car rental. I could be wrong, I don't really know for sure
 
I basically landed in a push ups position. If my head hit the road, if I tumbled, if I slided a greater distance, had the wind knocked out of me, maybe I would have stayed on the road for a while...even until the ambulance arrived.

The biggest danger in this particular scenario was, I was thrown into the next Lane. We all know how this works in Toronto, one Lane is stopped, the other Lane everyone is going as fast as possible.

I am very lucky the driver in the lane I was thrown into, was paying attention and stopped. I am happy I was not driven over.

Yes it was scary, not really scary, but hugely disconcerting that feeling of being hit from behind. Especially considering I was focusing on a very relaxed body position and riding style to not impede or interfere. The feeling if being hit while so relaxed is a complete violation to your senses.

In a way, the unthinkable has happened. I would hate the thought of detecting a.new scratch on my new bike, let alone leaving it to fend for itself, allowing It to drop on the road.

Maybe somehow this will turn me int a better operator. I have already made contact with the road, I have dropped the bike which is unimaginable to me...now that that is over with, I can move forward and think about other things.
 
CalamariGSX-R said:
I don't want anything other than getting my bike back to the way it was.
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I was not going to lay there in the middle of the yonge street north bound Lane until everyone showed up. That is not who I am. If I can get up I will get up
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I get it, man, I really do, and again, just want to reiterate im on your side and i hope things work out. But I have 2 things to say to that:

#1 Just because you can get up, doesnt mean you should. You could have all sorts of injuries you arent aware of. Internal bleeding, broken bones, etc. With the adrenaline going you wont feel most injuries for at least 10-15min. I was hit by a car a few years back, broke my wrist, didn't feel a thing until I was in the ambulance a half hour later.

#2 Its one thing to say all you want is your bike fixed, and I'm not a personal injury lawyer, I don't know if you wouldve had a case or not, but think somewhere in the realm of 1 year's salary, tax free, all in cash, from an out of court settlement. I don't know what your pride is worth, but most people would take that.

Get your bike fixed. Heck, get a new bike. Get 3 new bikes. Get a new car. Put a downpayment on a house and take a 3 month long vacation.

Although, thats only if you really did have some real injury.
 
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It's a mystery to me why insurance is so expensive in Ontario. :rolleyes:

Calamari: Don't second guess yourself, you did great in the circumstances. Just beware soreness in the next few days as others have said.
 
calamari,
you're a good guy. Integrity and honesty.

In that situation I would have done the same thing. keep positive, and I hope you're ok with no lingering after event injuries showing.

the real problem is the licensing system and enforcement. an actual driver testing system and enforcement of actual dangerous drivers would benefit our society much more than speed trapping and ticketing drivers doing 10-30 kmh over limit while driving at design speed and with traffic flow.

as long as the system remains the way it is. all we can do is setup cameras front and back of all our vehicles, and just pray...

all the best bud.
 
I was once considering the idea of a rear camera. I am a big MotoGP fan and I just like where they mount them on the bikes.

It may provide extra information, and would be good especially when stopped already, or if the light turns yellow and you are wondering if you stop, what about whatever is behind you.

I might reconsider it.

But in this particular case, it would not have helped me I don't think. There was no where to go, stuck in bumper to bumper....i guess the answer is keep an eye on the person behind you and have a car length between you and the person in front.

We all know the issue in Toronto, if you.leave a gap like that, you are inviting a car from the next Lane to pull into it, and run over your feet in the process...

Hmmmm, the terminator had it right with the Harley and shotgun combo...:p

Thanks so much, I appreciated all the comments, you all made it easier to get back out there.

M
 
I hardly ever get stuck in bumper to bumper, only the odd time when leaving or coming back to the city, but when I do it's always been my instinct to ride off to the side. In other words, in most cases, the car behind me would hit the car in front of me the exception being it might graze me when I do a sine wave type weave because showing off/too stubborn to put my feet down. Idk if this makes any sense but it does to me. Over and out.
 
I know, I know!!!!

I was in the right hand side of the lane, to block traffic from the fast moving lane, (yonge st north) from moving in on me, (the lane everyone wants to be in)

The car behind me had front end damage on the very edge of the passenger side.

!!!!!
 
I agree with your part about the injuries showing up later.

BUT, I totally disagree with the second point. First off the OP said it was a new driver, (so likely young person), I don't know many young people who have say $60,000, (year salary) cash just laying around to pay out in an "out of court settlement" Secondly, insurance has already been involved, (OP said rental has provided insurance info and his insurer said he is 0% at fault), so there will be no "out of court settlement" It will go through insurance so all the OP would do, (which he is an ethical person and would never consider doing), by trying to get a years salary "tax free", is raise the insurance rates for every one of us, (the insurer is GOING to recover that $60,000 somewhere).

You then added in "only if he did have some real injury". Which if he does then certainly he should be seeking appropriate compensation as they can become life long issues. A messed up neck at 30 can provide some REAL issues when your 60. But to simply seek money so he can buy 3 bikes, or put a down payment on a house and take 3 months off, is EXACTLY why we pay terribly for insurance in this province.

I have suffered REAL life long effects from a collision, all I want is the insurer to put my bike back the way it was pre collision, (which has been done), and ensure I can continue to enjoy life at the SAME level, not better or worst than pre collision. I don't expect to "make a profit and take 3 months off because I got hit. I would gladly give that all up not to have ever been hit to start with.
catzo said:
I get it, man, I really do, and again, just want to reiterate im on your side and i hope things work out. But I have 2 things to say to that:

#1 Just because you can get up, doesnt mean you should. You could have all sorts of injuries you arent aware of. Internal bleeding, broken bones, etc. With the adrenaline going you wont feel most injuries for at least 10-15min. I was hit by a car a few years back, broke my wrist, didn't feel a thing until I was in the ambulance a half hour later.

#2 Its one thing to say all you want is your bike fixed, and I'm not a personal injury lawyer, I don't know if you wouldve had a case or not, but think somewhere in the realm of 1 year's salary, tax free, all in cash, from an out of court settlement. I don't know what your pride is worth, but most people would take that.

Get your bike fixed. Heck, get a new bike. Get 3 new bikes. Get a new car. Put a downpayment on a house and take a 3 month long vacation.

Although, thats only if you really did have some real injury.
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catzo said:
I was hit by a car a few years back, broke my wrist, didn't feel a thing until I was in the ambulance a half hour later.
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My motorcycle wreck 25 years or so ago I got banged up pretty good, same situation....broke my wrist and didn't even notice it until I was about to be discharged from the hospital about 4 hours later after stitches and all that good stuff. They asked me if anything else hurt or seemed sore just beforehand, I said "Yeah, my wrist is a little sore actually", sent for X-Rays...busted. Had no idea up until that point. It did explain why I was unable to pickup my bike off the road at the time of the accident however.

In this situation I'd have had the police involved as well as ambulance at least attend in this situation. I'm not the litigious type and wouldn't automatically run to one of the ambulance chaser lawyers, but I'd have wanted to cover my bases in the case of more serious injuries showing up days, weeks, or months later. I'm a firm believer in CYA.
 
PrivatePilot said:
My motorcycle wreck 25 years or so ago I got banged up pretty good, same situation....broke my wrist and didn't even notice it until I was about to be discharged from the hospital about 4 hours later after stitches and all that good stuff. They asked me if anything else hurt or seemed sore just beforehand, I said "Yeah, my wrist is a little sore actually", sent for X-Rays...busted.
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Depending on how severe the accident is many people do not feel too bad for several hours as the shock of the event and the adrenaline rush masks the pain. Speaking from experience, unfortunately, give it half a day and certainly the next day you will feel very sore all over and banged up in areas you were not even aware were injured.
 
GreyGhost said:
So similar to your crash.

http://www.gtamotorcycle.com/vbforu...tario-Thread&p=2407805&viewfull=1#post2407805

Big guy, gets tagged from behind while stopped, does half a somersault, then pops up.
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OMG...so similar! It amazes me how frequently this happens.

Although I did not kick the car, the potential of what I did was actually worse. I was going to head butt the guy with my helmet on.

It is easy to say, do this and don't do that, should have could have...

This is what keeps you up at night. The accident itself does not kill you....it is the three cars that run you over when you are tossed into the next Lane by someone who has a responsibility to look where they are going!!!!!!!

End of story for me.

M
 
fastar1 said:
It's a mystery to me why insurance is so expensive in Ontario. :rolleyes:
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I rear ended a car a while back. Totally my fault. I apologized to the guy and we settled the matter outside of insurance. I've always been grateful for the leniency. Although I was out of pocket for the collision repair I was thankful for the insurance save. It was a great learning experience and I have since adjusted my driving habits to prevent the same mistake. Thankful for the experience I have since paid it forward when someone merged into my lane.

I'm not saying this is the case for OP. It's his call which way it should go. I'm just saying it's easy to condemn from the pulpit when you're in the right. Mistakes happen or sometimes the situation is just outside your control. If you're on the receiving end how would you want to be treated?
 
I once punted two girls in a Mustang thru an intersection. From behind. It was raining and she slammed on the brakes. Of course it was totally my fault. To my amazement, she got out right away and apologized. So I let her off with a mild warning and some driving tips. Her loved ones probably ripped her a new one when she relayed the story. The next person I hit will be a freebie. It's nice to have one in the bank.
 
CalamariGSX-R said:
I don't want anything other than getting my bike back to the way it was.

My insurance company has determined I was not at fault there is 0 deductible for me, and my rates will not go up as a result of this accident.

I was not going to lay there in the middle of the yonge street north bound Lane until everyone showed up. That is not who I am. If I can get up I will get up.

I suspect the experience rattled the driver who hit me, and although I can not confirm for sure, I think he confirmed everything I said to the police and the car rental. I could be wrong, I don't really know for sure
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OP, Wow, that sounds so familiar.
I went down in a round-a-bout in Ancaster. A young driver arrived in the round-a-bout, then noticed I was
already in it! I managed to get around the front of her but front tire lost traction and
I ended up lying on the ground under my bike with my left foot pointing backward.
No marks on my helmet, jacket or gloves. Even my jeans were not torn. No marks on the car, so it could
appear as a single vehicle accident.

I was able to get out from under the bike myself, and a bystander helped me stand my bike up.
I rode it home. Like you I was most interested in getting out of traffic and had no interest in having my bike towed.
So much so, I didn't even exchange insurance info! D'Oh! Though with no actual contact being made I'm not sure how
you'd call it. Just rode home, when I took my riding boots off though, different story.

I was able to walk into emergency and they took x-rays of my ankle.
I sat around for several hours hearing nothing from them, emergency room staff were unconcerned when I
finally passed out from shock, they just gave me a glass of orange juice then nothing, so assumed I was fine and went home.
They called 2 days later to tell me I had a broken ankle and "Why on earth did you leave emerg?".
By that time my knee had ballooned up to twice it's normal size with a massive hematoma and I was making arrangements to see my GP anyway.

Out of pocket costs to fix my bike was under $200.
I was off work for 6 days and off my bike for 6 months (Mostly winter)

I'm not angry with the car driver. She made a mistake and quite simply didn't see me until too late. (no cell phone involvement)
Plus I almost made it around her!
I'm glad to be riding again. Being in my 50's healing does take a bit longer but I've had to deal with chronic pain
since I was a teenager so I adapt to the new normal and keep going.

For the other commentators, adrenaline will cause you to make poor choices.
Someone mentioned having a note of proper steps to take, that's a fantastic idea, because you won't be thinking clearly!
In hindsight, there were some things I should have done differently, but again
in that moment, I was just happy to be able to get back up and find the bike is still ride-able!

OP, I'm glad you're OK, hope you aren't hurting too much now.
 
police and ambulance to hospital.. take plate numbers/names of witness'..keep going to doctor every day you hurt... basic .

what did your gloves cost? helmet scratch? jacket smudge? bike damage?

cannot believe you chose to ride away from this. nobody else is going to say it, so forgive me for being blunt. You acted like a schmuck. and I don't want to hear any moral I'm not that kind of guy .. I let it go cause.. BS. Again, please forgive for being blunt. but people need to hear how to demand and exert their RIGHTS in this kind of situation. Get well soon brother.
 
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